Mine dam collapse - Jagersfontein

[airborne]

Nothing like being swamped with mine tailings to contaminate everything with heavy metals and all kinds of other nasty substances. Wonder if a proper clean up and restitution to home owners will be done?

 

[Oldfut]

Didn't this happen in Virginia some 20 odd years ago? IIRC it was worse

Yup, Merriespruit; 17 killed. These tailings dams need careful construction as the tailings are essentially a liquid slurry, placed by pumping and must drain without eroding and gain strength, particularly the outside sections (dykes) before the next layer is placed. Usually have a fair bit of monitoring instrumentation so that water pressures within the slimes can be tracked and monitored against stability models and the design. Specialist business.

 

[Geoff.D]

Specialist business.

And that expertise still exists? The real experts have left the country. The new lot can't even pass matric with more than 30%.

 

[dlk001]

And that expertise still exists? The real experts have left the country. The new lot can't even pass matric with more than 30%.

We have many Geotechnical Engineering including tailings dam experts in SA. Some of the best in the world. However, there is generally a lack of succession planning around the world concerning mining geotechnical engineers and its concerning.

 

[Howdy]

It's going to get very expensive soon. Relevant government departments can be brutal when they have the upper hand.

You think? Is the role to prevent or turn it into a cash cow?

 

[Oldfut]

We have many Geotechnical Engineering including tailings dam experts in SA. Some of the best in the world. However, there is generally a lack of succession planning around the world concerning mining geotechnical engineers and concerning.

Agreed and succession is an issue. This is where "government" is so stupid. Many of the companies in SA work into Africa and South America (also US, Canada etc but these tend to be from branches there). Such service businesses should be nurtured, encouraged and protected with support for graduate engineers to get experience. This support should start by allocating local projects to these firms, not Gupta chums or nothing at all.

 

[dlk001]

Agreed and succession is an issue. This is where "government" is so stupid. Many of the companies in SA work into Africa and South America (also US, Canada etc but these tend to be from branches there). Such service businesses should be nurtured, encouraged and protected with support for graduate engineers to get experience. This support should start by allocating local projects to these firms, not Gupta chums or nothing at all.

Agreed, the problem is the lack of will and deploying people (politicians) who are not competent to do their job.

 

[dlk001]

The mine’s dumps and slime still "belong" to De Beers and the government’s access has been restricted by a court order, Nathi Shabangu, a spokesman for the Department of Mineral Resources and Energy said via SMS. “We also have reports that the mine has been sold to other parties, without the involvement of the DMRE as per the court order,” he said. https://www.news24.com/fin24/Compan...s-still-belong-to-de-beers-says-dmre-20220911

Minerals Council South Africa, a mining industry lobbying group, said the cause of the dam collapse was unknown.

The Jagersfontein assets are not currently owned by any of its members, and it has no information about the ownership structure or the standard of management of the dumps, the group said in a statement.

 

[R13...]

The mine’s dumps and slime still "belong" to De Beers and the government’s access has been restricted by a court order, Nathi Shabangu, a spokesman for the Department of Mineral Resources and Energy said via SMS. “We also have reports that the mine has been sold to other parties, without the involvement of the DMRE as per the court order,” he said. https://www.news24.com/fin24/Compan...s-still-belong-to-de-beers-says-dmre-20220911

Minerals Council South Africa, a mining industry lobbying group, said the cause of the dam collapse was unknown.

The Jagersfontein assets are not currently owned by any of its members, and it has no information about the ownership structure or the standard of management of the dumps, the group said in a statement.

Current news says nothing about de beers. The province and municipality have been dealing with the current owners apparently.

 

[Hemi300c]

This is going to be a long hard fight to recover the damages and the only people that will gain anything are the lawyers.

 

[dlk001]

Current news says nothing about de beers. The province and municipality have been dealing with the current owners apparently.

The mine was owned by De Beers and "sold". Currently, it is operated by Jagersfontein Developments (Pty) Ltd. I say "sold" because selling liability means many things and De Beers cannot fully walk away from that.

 

[dlk001]

We don’t own the mine where dam burst in Jagersfontein: De Beers​

Mining company De Beers says it has not been the owner of the mine where a sludge dam burst in Jagersfontein in the Free State for more than ten years.

This follows a report that Mineral Resources and Energy Minister Gwede Mantashe said De Beers would have to take full responsibility for the damages caused.

Minister Mantashe has cited a 2007 court case regarding the mine. He says the ministry still does not agree with the ruling.

We don't own the mine where dam burst in Jagersfontein: De Beers - SABC News - Breaking news, special reports, world, business, sport coverage of all South African current events. Africa's news leader.

Mining company De Beers says it has not been the owner of the mine where a sludge dam burst in Jagersfontein in the Free State for more than ten years.

www.sabcnews.com

 

[The Free Radical]

Those Dead Sea mall mud sellers are going to start smousing the mud as hair-care products.
They leave your hair full of body.

 

[SHL]

Nothing like being swamped with mine tailings to contaminate everything with heavy metals and all kinds of other nasty substances. Wonder if a proper clean up and restitution to home owners will be done?

ANC reaction...

 

[grok]

We don’t own the mine where dam burst in Jagersfontein: De Beers​

Mining company De Beers says it has not been the owner of the mine where a sludge dam burst in Jagersfontein in the Free State for more than ten years.

This follows a report that Mineral Resources and Energy Minister Gwede Mantashe said De Beers would have to take full responsibility for the damages caused.

Minister Mantashe has cited a 2007 court case regarding the mine. He says the ministry still does not agree with the ruling.

We don't own the mine where dam burst in Jagersfontein: De Beers - SABC News - Breaking news, special reports, world, business, sport coverage of all South African current events. Africa's news leader.

Mining company De Beers says it has not been the owner of the mine where a sludge dam burst in Jagersfontein in the Free State for more than ten years.

www.sabcnews.com

If the idiot with the stomach disagrees with something, you just know that it was 100% the correct ruling..

 

[RedViking]

The mine’s dumps and slime still "belong" to De Beers and the government’s access has been restricted by a court order, Nathi Shabangu, a spokesman for the Department of Mineral Resources and Energy said via SMS. “We also have reports that the mine has been sold to other parties, without the involvement of the DMRE as per the court order,” he said. https://www.news24.com/fin24/Compan...s-still-belong-to-de-beers-says-dmre-20220911

Minerals Council South Africa, a mining industry lobbying group, said the cause of the dam collapse was unknown.

The Jagersfontein assets are not currently owned by any of its members, and it has no information about the ownership structure or the standard of management of the dumps, the group said in a statement.

In other words.

One massive corporate mess.

 

[Priapus]

Phama says they hope that help from the provincial government will be afforded as quickly as possible to avoid any further damages.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Those Dead Sea mall mud sellers are going to start smousing the mud as hair-care products.
They leave your hair full of body.

dont worry, they already on their way.

 

[RedViking]

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[konfab]

The ANC government: All the natural resources in the country belong to the government.
The ANC government: All the dams in the country belong to the government.
The ANC government: We want control of the entire mining sector.
The ANC government: You need our permission to sell the dam.

Also the ANC government: That dam isn't the responsibility of the government.