TonyHawk
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I'm noticing Acelor Mittal as the common thread in the recent mining related scandals. Someone in their Corporate Affairs unit is running a scam IMO. I cant be a coincidence, can it?
Needs digging
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I'm noticing Acelor Mittal as the common thread in the recent mining related scandals. Someone in their Corporate Affairs unit is running a scam IMO. I cant be a coincidence, can it?
The end result is the same - the owner unwillingly loses the company to someone else. Thats pretty dam close to my definition of stolen.
Wonder if Malema's on the list....
The end result is the same - the owner unwillingly loses the company to someone else. Thats pretty dam close to my definition of stolen.
Stop trying to involve yourself in things clearly above your intellect level.
I'm with you on this! Dreamking comes in here quotes a bit from wiki, highlights a few words in the original article and then puts himself forward as some sort of expert on this matter![]()
“After being verified by our approved commissioners of oath, a person can have access and amend information on our records online,” said Cipro spokesperson Elsabe Conradie. That access gives a person rights not only to one company, but the whole Cipro system. The licence gets renewed annually.
Completely wrong !!!
The directors are not necessarily large shareholders. And the shareholders are the owners.
In a hostile takeover the aggressor makes an attractive offer to the owners (shareholders), and they sell their shares to him. Now where in this do the owners lose their company against their will ???
The director may get kicked out, but even though he may have a few shares, HE IS NOT THE OWNER !!!
A hostile takeover is a perfectly normal corporate activity, and it happens because the owners (shareholders) agree to it.
At the end of last month (August 27), Haralambos (Harry) Sferopoulos, a registered Cipro agent - which is any natural or legal person requiring interaction with Cipro, such as attorneys, law firms, banks, auditors, other enterprises and private individuals - removed Kalahari Resources's only two directors, Daphne Mashile-Nkosi and Brian Amos Mashile, from Cipro's database and replaced them with eight new directors including himself.
On the other requirements, Sferopoulos said "according to [the South African Community Government Union (SACGU)] statute, it is the majority shareholder of all companies in South Africa, as such they have the legal authority to remove directors with or without their consent".
SACGU was set up by Sferopoulos and others; it has no authority to seize assets as he has claimed. The company and its directors appear to be delusional. Its website claims that according to a special resolution "in terms of section 53 (1) and (3) of Insolvency Act No 24 of 1936 SACGU has decided to amongst others:
repeal and consolidate the ownership of the Land and Mineral Rights Act;
repeal and consolidate the Internal Security Act;
repeal and consolidate the Companies Act No 61 of 1973 and to suspend any amendment to it not to be in force on the 1st of June 2010 pending the reinstituting of the department of the prime minister.
repeal and consolidate the South African Police Services SAPS Act 1995."
SACGU also claims to have sequestrated the following, organs of state:
The National Prosecution Authority;
South African Police Service;
Minister of justice;
Minister of finance;
Governor of the Reserve Bank.
Sferopoulos says his actions are justified "because I'm on the SAGCU board; it's like a monarchy we're allowed to be in business; it's a new law coming out of Sweden that allows us to be in business we are a section 21 company that allows us to hold governments to account".
Lets see. You (founder of the company) list it on the stock exchange. Years pass and you have 30% shares in your own company. Then some other dude buys 51% of the shares. You no longer have control over your own company. Where in all this does the founder of the company have any say in the matter???
Kalahari Resources: The story behind the ‘hijacking'
Some crazy nutjobs that have access to CIPRO.
These people should already have been arrested.
Sferopoulos says his actions are justified "because I'm on the SAGCU board; it's like a monarchy we're allowed to be in business; it's a new law coming out of Sweden that allows us to be in business we are a section 21 company that allows us to hold governments to account".
When asked if he had a legal background to quote statutes, he said, "no, but Stephen Khoza, another member of the newly elected directors does; as the head of SACGU he can remove any directors of any company within the Republic of South Africa, according to, (oh yes that) statute that's why he's called the master he's above the judges he's called the master; his title, according to the Companies Act, he's called the master he's very, very strong, trust me you won't even get a needle passed that".
Kalahari Resources: The story behind the ‘hijacking'
Some crazy nutjobs that have access to CIPRO.
These people should already have been arrested.
Lets see. You (founder of the company) list it on the stock exchange. Years pass and you have 30% shares in your own company. Then some other dude buys 51% of the shares. You no longer have control over your own company. Where in all this does the founder of the company have any say in the matter???
I was merely trying to make the point that a hostile takeover is akin to having your company stolen. Sure its the legal route, and there are ways to reduce the likelihood of it happening but the end result is the same. This was in response to someone saying its impossible to steal a company in a first world country.