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Watched a few snippets of tonights 3rd Degree, it was about mob justice.

What do you think about it? Right or wrong?

Eye for an eye or forgive him because ... well just because?? :confused: :confused:

I for one see reason behind the mob antics, they catch someone who raped a child or killed an elder or beat a woman, surely it is better justice to dish out what they themselves dished out, except in their case the person they were hurting was defenseless... :mad:

If I may use Copacetic as an example, his brother got stabbed, if you got the chance wouldn't you stab the okes that did that to your brother in their lung too?
 
I'm for it and against it.

For it because you get whats coming to you.
Against it because sometimes the mobs get the wrong okes

d7e7r7 said:
If I may use Copacetic as an example, his brother got stabbed, if you got the chance wouldn't you stab the okes that did that to your brother in their lung too?
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Sorry to hear about that Copa. Is he ok?
 
I am all for mob justice. Its not perfect but neither is our justice system. I am not saying that the perpetrator must be killed but he should get a proper beating right to the edge of his life (in cases of rape & child abuse). Mob condoned murder is not the answer but a shambok is a wonderful tool when used by a skilled operator :p.

I am still waiting for the twat to be released that broke into my house a few years ago. His @ss is mine. Stuff the (I paid my debt to society crap). He violated the sanctity of my house & I intend to violate his personal space till I feel I have handed out my flavour of justice.

If anyone should lay a hand on my daughters all the rules goes out the window. Touch my family & you pay the ultimate price & I will stand in court and face the music.

So yes mob justice has its place. I am all for it.
 
Ja, most of the time it is great to see them giving it to the criminals. It will certainly scare the daylights out of the tsotsies!

But... what happens if they get the wrong guy? That's when it all goes pear shaped.
 
bex.cpt said:
He violated the sanctity of my house & I intend to violate his personal space till I feel I have handed out my flavour of justice.
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I'm sure Big Bubba "violated" his personal "space" already lol
 
I watched it from start to finish and one sentence from Debora Patta enraged me beyond belief.

"Mob justice undermines the rule of law"

Despite all her journalistic experience she actually doesn't understand that the rule of law ceased to exist years ago and mob justice is the direct result of the collapse of law and order.

The ANC has plunged the country into a new mfecane but the key players do not care because they all have armed guards and live in protected fortresses, safe from the widespread chaos and warfare raging among ordinary people battling to survive.
 
Garyvdh said:
Ja, most of the time it is great to see them giving it to the criminals. It will certainly scare the daylights out of the tsotsies!

But... what happens if they get the wrong guy? That's when it all goes pear shaped.
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I agree. Although the courts don't always get it right either.
Thats apparently one of the "official" reasons the death penalty was made away with in many countries and states
 
If you do not have an effective police force and justice system then this can happen. This is the very reasons these systems were established in the first place.
 
If a woman is rejected by a guy and then claims rape to get back at him, the poor guy could lose his life.
 
bex.cpt said:
I am all for mob justice. Its not perfect but neither is our justice system.
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It's far less perfect. Mobs don't even carry out anything that can generously be called an investigation.

I am still waiting for the twat to be released that broke into my house a few years ago. His @ss is mine. Stuff the (I paid my debt to society crap). He violated the sanctity of my house & I intend to violate his personal space till I feel I have handed out my flavour of justice.
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And when someone sees you doing that they'll then have to dish out some mob justice to you.

Touch my family & you pay the ultimate price & I will stand in court and face the music.
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If the family/community/friends of the person you murdered take the same attitude as you you'd already be beaten to death before the police could even arrest you.

d7e7r7 said:
I for one see reason behind the mob antics, they catch someone who raped a child or killed an elder or beat a woman, surely it is better justice to dish out what they themselves dished out, except in their case the person they were hurting was defenseless... :mad:
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What evidence do they collect during the investigation? Do they have their own labs for processing forensic evidence or do they use commercial ones? Does the accused get a proper legal defence?

Mantis said:
Against it because sometimes the mobs get the wrong okes
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They probably get it wrong more often than not.
 
Mantis said:
Sorry to hear about that Copa. Is he ok?
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Yep. Excellent trauma surgeon did a stellar job.

With regards to mob justice, despite all of my anger at the time of the incident, I am very much against mob-type justice - By it's very definition it's liable to go out of control, especially in a superstitious and uneducated country like our own.

I feel the same way about the death penalty - Is it warranted for that life to be taken? Perhaps, but the chances of a mistake are too high, it's not like a mob is going to closely investigate the incident (which noxibox has mentioned in detail).

If we want to channel that anger into something positive let's take a hard look at the powers that be and the fact that they are charged with creating a situation where there should be justice and protection for all.
 
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If they get the right guy and police screw up then yes, seems its the only way to get rid of drug dealers in some areas.
 
Very gray area - for and against it...
Unfortunately as mentioned the ANC managed to bring the police and justice system to a new all-time low, so many crims just gets released and continue their activities (and this is the ones that's actually caught which is a small percentage) - our SA situation is unique so mob-justice is "justified" to a degree... (I'm not saying its right)
Personally I won't partake unless I'm directly involved.
 
Speaking of mob justice:
Johannesburg - Three men were burnt to death by a mob who accused them of being cable thieves in Lenasia South on Wednesday, Gauteng police said.

The three men were believed to be part of a group who had been stealing electricity cables in an informal settlement in Lenasia South, said Captain Mpande Khoza.

"They said at around 01:00 (they saw) a Nissan bakkie which keeps terrorising the people here and cutting the electricity cable."

Khoza said that replacing the cable cost every household in the settlement R200. Fed up by the thefts, residents organised themselves into patrols armed with whistles and vuvuzelas.

"At around 01:00 they spotted the same bakkie which has been doing this. They blew the whistles and the vuvuzelas and found these men with a gun and a bolt cutter.

"The three men in the back of the bakkie, they ran away, but the three in the cab couldn't escape.

"They tried to use the bakkie to escape but the community came from all angles," said Khoza.

Community members set the bakkie alight with the alleged cable thieves still inside.

Khoza said police were still gathering information about the attack. Much of their information had come from listening to community members who were speaking to journalists.

"They are much more open to the journalists than they are to the police," said Khoza.
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http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Community-kills-trio-over-cables-20100804
 
copacetic said:
Yep. Excellent trauma surgeon did a stellar job.

With regards to mob justice, despite all of my anger at the time of the incident, I am very much against mob-type justice - By it's very definition it's liable to go out of control, especially in a superstitious and uneducated country like our own.

I feel the same way about the death penalty - Is it warranted for that life to be taken? Perhaps, but the chances of a mistake are too high, it's not like a mob is going to closely investigate the incident (which noxibox has mentioned in detail).

If we want to channel that anger into something positive let's take a hard look at the powers that be and the fact that they are charged with creating a situation where there should be justice and protection for all.
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So glad you posted that.

nuff said.
 
The justice system is the closest we have to fairness. OF COURSE it is not perfect, but there are certain systems in place to ensure that, AS FAR AS POSSIBLE, perpetrators get brought to book.

Kangaroo courts generally do not use detectives to investigate crimes and neither do the rely on forensic evidence ;)
 
I to some extent agree with Mob Justice, especially if the Police are not acting and crime is getting out of control (Like in S.A). It becomes a problem when groups of people go out looking for wrong doers which can lead to a muderous mob of there own.
 
My view.

As the police, safety and security are failing miserably in South Africa it's back to what worked in the past, Mob Justice! Sorry for the few innocents that will perish but if that is what it takes to curb crime then be it all. I will support it and also become a Africa savage if that is what is required.
 
copacetic said:
Yep. Excellent trauma surgeon did a stellar job.

With regards to mob justice, despite all of my anger at the time of the incident, I am very much against mob-type justice - By it's very definition it's liable to go out of control, especially in a superstitious and uneducated country like our own.

I feel the same way about the death penalty - Is it warranted for that life to be taken? Perhaps, but the chances of a mistake are too high, it's not like a mob is going to closely investigate the incident (which noxibox has mentioned in detail).

If we want to channel that anger into something positive let's take a hard look at the powers that be and the fact that they are charged with creating a situation where there should be justice and protection for all.
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Living Johns dream unfortunately does not work in a country like ours. yes, I downloaded (pirated) the song "Imagine" just to "revive" an old dream. Played it on repeat a while now with lots of nostalgia. Real "hippie" dreams that never worked in real life reality. John should have written a song "If Only ......".
 
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