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Mobile devices in 2010 and beyond
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mancombseepgood
Executive Member
yay
Wondering if those who cant eat today will be around for 2010
Or those without work will have work
Or if the cost of food and shelter will come down
personally, i couldn't care less about technology getting better and faster.
Wondering if those who cant eat today will be around for 2010
Or those without work will have work
Or if the cost of food and shelter will come down
personally, i couldn't care less about technology getting better and faster.
XCentricdave
Well-Known Member
Indeed. Ever more rapid development and consumption at what environmental cost?
Noble, but a bit short sighted IMO. Maybe my comment is out of the blue, but so is yours...
Technology drives economies, economies drive jobs, jobs feed people etc...
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Would be cool if we could all live off the land. Would mankind be willing to take a knock in medicinal technology etc, for the sake of living more in harmony with the environment? We would all have to adopt more simple lifestyles. The global population will inevitably drop dramatically because living simple means living for yourself and looking after yourself and your closest family. Loads of folks would die of hunger! City life will go to hell. AMEN!
I am personally all for a more simple life, but it is a bit late for mankind. The best we can do is turn our urban living slightly toward lodge living. You know... kinda like this http://www.big-sandy-lodge.com/scr-bscabins1.jpg
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mancombseepgood
Executive Member
Yes
Exactly... it's the nature of the beast...
I don't disagree with that... but I also think it is short sighted (not your opinion, but the system).
If I remember correctly, at some point some years ago, Pakistan had a drive to rely less on exports to feed their people and it was hugely successful...
We need something like that here IMO... whether it will happen or not is another story.
Africa's big problem with that is the population size compared with arigable land... we don't all have a piece of land to do our subsistence farming on... Rwanda for instance is the most populous country in Africa and they have very little more than hills and more hills... great for growing tea, but not much else. Maybe if things ever settled in Africa, much of the essential farming can be kept within the continent since African governments would understand better the issues faced on the continent...
Well one would think that anyhow...
Of course, the real issue is to get the haves to recognise the solution to the problem of the have nots and do what can be done about it... and then the government needs to formulate policy and do what they say instead of simply seeing the have nots as a vote source.
The lower class simply needs to be elevated to the middle working class... but with economies allowing for less and less middle class workers, the problem is not made easy. Hence my desire to see less reliance on tech and more on manpower. Maybe not as efficient if you want to compete internationally... but then that's the problem... competing internationally with many many more folk below the bread line than other countries...
Exactly... it's the nature of the beast...
I don't disagree with that... but I also think it is short sighted (not your opinion, but the system).
If I remember correctly, at some point some years ago, Pakistan had a drive to rely less on exports to feed their people and it was hugely successful...
We need something like that here IMO... whether it will happen or not is another story.
Africa's big problem with that is the population size compared with arigable land... we don't all have a piece of land to do our subsistence farming on... Rwanda for instance is the most populous country in Africa and they have very little more than hills and more hills... great for growing tea, but not much else. Maybe if things ever settled in Africa, much of the essential farming can be kept within the continent since African governments would understand better the issues faced on the continent...
Well one would think that anyhow...
Of course, the real issue is to get the haves to recognise the solution to the problem of the have nots and do what can be done about it... and then the government needs to formulate policy and do what they say instead of simply seeing the have nots as a vote source.
The lower class simply needs to be elevated to the middle working class... but with economies allowing for less and less middle class workers, the problem is not made easy. Hence my desire to see less reliance on tech and more on manpower. Maybe not as efficient if you want to compete internationally... but then that's the problem... competing internationally with many many more folk below the bread line than other countries...
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XCentricdave
Well-Known Member
Problem is that I'm not sure that the earth has sufficient resources (land, fuel, water etc. etc.) to cope with everyone in the current population to have a house and car - which is what I would understand middle class to mean.
And this is problem we face.
You and I don't want to give up our toys and lifestyle. So we suggest that everyone should have the same as us. The planet can't sustain that. So what to do?
We can all just to do our bit.
Do you need a new mobile phone that really does the same as your last one but is styled differently. Do you need to watch mediocre quality television on a tiny screen?
If advances in medical technology are important (why do we need to live any longer than we already do? There are plenty of people around to continue the species) then lets put our money and effort there. But frankly that has little to do with the consumer electronics industry.
The human species is fiendishly clever at coming up with solutions to problems in order to survive. If and when we actually hit a real hard limit on resources, or catastrophic climate event, our ingenuity will be tested properly. Until then we have a choice about whether we be fair and forward thinking or not.
Reminds me of the adage about the a house painter when asked what to do when a job was nearly finished and the paint was running out; "Paint faster..." was his response...
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mancombseepgood
Executive Member
I would venture to say that i can live without TV and mobile phones...
But I probably couldn't do business without the phone.
But I probably couldn't do business without the phone.
lilDeath
Executive Member
mkay... where you hiding the HinderNet pole??
A counter argument can comfortably be made by highlighting the fact that a very large number of people have lost their jobs thanks to technology advancement. Of course, one would have to do a very lengthy study to establish the difference in the number of people who have lost their jobs and the number of people that now have jobs because of technology advancement.
mancombseepgood
Executive Member
I was fascinated to note that in India so much work is done manually. I was at a pretty snazzy hotel in the capital watching guys put up scaffolding... literally tying peices of bamboo together... to pain the place. They have many peasants, but also many employed peasants.
Excuse the poor images (the images are not of the scaffold - I lost that one - one is a bamboo scaffold around a temple in old Delhi and one is a typical ladder). These guys were putting up drywall partitions with no power tools whatsoever.
http://www.tinypic.us/images/9140928-10-06_1304.jpg
http://www.tinypic.us/images/6306927-10-06_1309.jpg
Excuse the poor images (the images are not of the scaffold - I lost that one - one is a bamboo scaffold around a temple in old Delhi and one is a typical ladder). These guys were putting up drywall partitions with no power tools whatsoever.
http://www.tinypic.us/images/9140928-10-06_1304.jpg
http://www.tinypic.us/images/6306927-10-06_1309.jpg
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