Modifying your car now 'illegal'

USZA

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they just sit with their cameras eating donuts. I didn't even get a roadblock in December. increased visibility se gat. its a money spinner. end of story. catching people on the road creating chaos is a feat beyond this traffic law enforcement.

Enforcing a stereotype lol. Btw, ours eat KFC, not donuts - donuts is an AMerican thing.

But seriously, if they are really serious about this, then it should be a case of either impounding those vehicles or forcing the owners to remove all modifications, and, off-course, a follow-up inspection to check compliance. But, I suppose that would be too much to ask of our current law enforcement.
 

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Weird - we still have tons of unroadworthy death traps doing as they please in Cape Town... I see them daily, doing as they please, sometimes in-front of metro...

The DA tries to control everything we do, they implement by-laws, and then target the easy targets... its complete BS.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2014/11/30/4000-cape-town-taxis-impounded-in-16-month-period

Nearly 4000 taxis have been impounded for permit violations in the last 16-months in Cape Town, the city said on Sunday.
 

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You do know that widening your tyres and/or track directly affects the turning of your vehicle and increases the loads on your suspension?

Yes. It also provides the suspension with a more solid base in emergency situations. If the impact was significantly greater, manufacturers wouldn't offer you larger wheels on the same vehicle that is placed at a higher spec level (and price, of course).

Purchase a new car and do a non-factory ''upgrade'', then take it back for a service. See how they react. A mate of mine had to remove his 70k worth of shocks, mags and tyres (not cheap, no name stuff either) from his Beemer as it was still under warranty. They argued that the vehicle was not designed to run with the sizes he installed and thus his warranty would be voided if something related to them failed, ie a suspension component.

You would also find another anecdotal example of dealers having no issue with performing the services and upholding the warranty despite modifications.

Mods done by the local hot shop do not equate to factory-fitted options, which have likely passed necessary tests and will not affect the safety and handling of the vehicle.

No, they do not, but as I said, a few manufacturers offer aftermarket parts as factory-fitted options (Kia, Hyundai and Toyota as examples). The only difference between these "factory-fitted" options and you buying it from another seller, is that the manufacturer charges you to fit them.

Thing is, I doubt Audi Sport purchases a set of Bilstein shocks off the shelf. Those are more than likely designed and manufactured to the specs of their LMPs cars and that is all carried out by qualified engineers. Obviously Bilstein don't make nonsense off the shelf products, but, a quality, reputable product does not mean quality workmanship nor does it guarantee that the correct components in relation to the vehicle were used.

So, you think that a reputable aftermarket suspension company, who supplies parts for Audi's Le Mans cars, does a hack job on the rest of their equipment? Yeah, I don't think so.

My argument is this; Audi Sport employs qualified people to carry out engineering work and has things specially made for their racing cars. There is no guarantee that a mod shop is run by qualified guys. They could be guys that have ''taught themselves'' and they are using universal products for a wide range of vehicles with differing baseline performance capabilities.

By that logic, you should only take your car to the manufacturer to have the wheels aligned, because the likes of Supaquick do not have the engineering know how or the specific products on hand, to make the adjustments on vital components of the vehicle.

And let us not kid ourselves, the majority of mods are to do with looks and speed, not safety.

Looks, mostly. But if you really believe that someone who has simply added larger rims and tyres, lowered his suspension and tinted his windows should be tarred with the same brush as someone who has done a backyard turbo job on his car to win a street race, then that is silly.
 

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The DA tries to control everything we do, they implement by-laws, and then target the easy targets... its complete BS.

You already forgot how I pointed out to you that this statement is untrue?
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Almost-4-000-Cape-Town-taxis-impounded-20141130

Note how the officers say things like
"I have come to know some taxi drivers by name because they are caught so often."
The system sucks and the police are doing what they can, despite your ignorance of the situation
 

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Enforcing a stereotype lol. Btw, ours eat KFC, not donuts - donuts is an AMerican thing.

But seriously, if they are really serious about this, then it should be a case of either impounding those vehicles or forcing the owners to remove all modifications, and, off-course, a follow-up inspection to check compliance. But, I suppose that would be too much to ask of our current law enforcement.

this right here. no need to go any further. money spinner.
 

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A mate of mine had to remove his 70k worth of shocks, mags and tyres (not cheap, no name stuff either) from his Beemer as it was still under warranty. They argued that the vehicle was not designed to run with the sizes he installed and thus his warranty would be voided if something related to them failed, ie a suspension component.

BMW's response has little to do with safety of the car though. e.g

The same BMW will sell you a non-factory software that increases kW and Nm to their car. However, try buy a similar product, same power gains from another reputable supplier, BMW will void warranty and cancel motorplan. Its a business decision and not related to safety. BMW wants to make more money.
 

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You're missing the point- that most people do not modify their cars beyond the tolerances that their vehicles were designed for, and to equate them with backyard turbo enthusiasts is wrong.

Thirdly, I don't think that the cops are out to catch the majority, but to catch the minority who is making roads unsafe for the majority. Think of it, the minority are those with ill-fitting parts and ill-fitting mods, resulting in unsafe vehicles that are not roadworthy and that, at some stage, is going to make the road unsafe for you and me.

I suggest you read the article, then. The complaint stems from the police wanting to enforce all forms of modification, including simple and innocuous mods such as larger wheels and lowered suspension. They are employing a blanket policy that harms a majority of innocent people due to their inadequacy to police the minority. Nevermind the far larger prevalence of unroadworthy taxis and vehicles that are in horrid states of disrepair continually traversing our roads- those are usually ignored because they are not as soft a group of targets.

I'd be more worried about a car that has been poorly maintained than a car that has been poorly modified, FWIW.

I think that my post above addresses these points. I have no objections to vehicle modifications; it just has to be done withing the limitations of the vehicle, whiich, unfortunately, it isn't, especially by these DIY racers.

Which is exactly what I said. The people who will be impacted the most are the ones who are not DIY racers.
 

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You already forgot how I pointed out to you that this statement is untrue?
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Almost-4-000-Cape-Town-taxis-impounded-20141130

Note how the officers say things like

The system sucks and the police are doing what they can, despite your ignorance of the situation

:erm: and you forgot I responded then - so maybe refer back to that, your article doesn't prove anything untrue. Apparently me seeing taxi's doing what they want and all over the road while impounded makes me ignorant

I'd love to know where all these impounded taxi's are now (guess?).... and I'm ignorant. :rolleyes:

And then lets do the stats, lets see how many MODIFIED cars are in accidents, killing people, compared to taxi's.
 
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:erm: and you forgot I responded then - so maybe refer back to that.

Never went back into that thread tbh
Point still stands however, they most certainly do not only go for soft targets. Legally all they can do is impound the vehicle and impose a fine, which if paid means the vehicle must be released.
 

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I read the heading as "Marinating your cat now illegal".

I think there is something wrong with me.
 

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Never went back into that thread tbh
Point still stands however, they most certainly do not only go for soft targets. Legally all they can do is impound the vehicle and impose a fine, which if paid means the vehicle must be released.

Actually, I would disagree. The article states that these taxis are impounded, released, then impounded again, and mentions repeat offenders. So how many different taxis did they actually impound? Must be far lower. If you look at the amounts paid (and apparently they do get paid) it makes them even easier targets, particularly the ones the cops already know.
 

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Actually, I would disagree. The article states that these taxis are impounded, released, then impounded again, and mentions repeat offenders. So how many different taxis did they actually impound? Must be far lower. If you look at the amounts paid (and apparently they do get paid) it makes them even easier targets, particularly the ones the cops already know.

They could do more, they push so many other by-laws - why not put one in place to remove them permanently. You can't tell me a good percentage of those taxi's arn't road worthy.
 

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....one day the govt will drag you kicking and screaming away from anarchy into the first world.
 

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Lol, so my car uses 185/15 tires. They're hard to find and expensive and the guys at Speedy said I should just use 195/15. Does that now mean my car is illegally modded? Same thing with my shocks. Manufacturer uses Gabriel, I've fitted Armstrongs. How now brown cow?

This is a retarded law which I don't see them being able to enforce at all.
 

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Yes. It also provides the suspension with a more solid base in emergency situations. If the impact was significantly greater, manufacturers wouldn't offer you larger wheels on the same vehicle that is placed at a higher spec level (and price, of course).

Yes, but those variations are usually small. 185 for a baseline, 195 for a sport, for example. They are not dumping 215 or 225s on them as an option unless it is a factory-built high performance variant. Spacers. Some folks add wheel spacers to further increase the width of the stance. Jury is still out on the safety of those and they most certainly have a negative impact on turning circles, for one.

Wider tyres and a wider stance also make for a less responsive, ''heavier'' handling car if the steering and suspension is not upgraded accordingly.

You would also find another anecdotal example of dealers having no issue with performing the services and upholding the warranty despite modifications.

I've heard of people getting into trouble with software upgrades as well. Pretty sure a big turbo on your N/A car will ruffle a few feathers as well. Did you upgrade the internals to deal with the added heat and pressure? I think we'll agree to disagree here.

No, they do not, but as I said, a few manufacturers offer aftermarket parts as factory-fitted options (Kia, Hyundai and Toyota as examples). The only difference between these "factory-fitted" options and you buying it from another seller, is that the manufacturer charges you to fit them.

So you are saying manufacturers will fit things as an option not knowing whether it will impact their claimed performance figures and safety standards? Again, manufacturers offer things they know their vehicles can handle or are designed to handle.

So, you think that a reputable aftermarket suspension company, who supplies parts for Audi's Le Mans cars, does a hack job on the rest of their equipment? Yeah, I don't think so.

Please read what I said again: "Obviously Bilstein don't make nonsense off the shelf products".

Comparing Audi Sport's custom made components and engineering process to Average Joe's custom job using a universal component is not the same thing. Bilstein make good products, but it does not mean it is suitable for Average Joe's car nor does it mean said component has been installed correctly or in an optimal way.

By that logic, you should only take your car to the manufacturer to have the wheels aligned, because the likes of Supaquick do not have the engineering know how or the specific products on hand, to make the adjustments on vital components of the vehicle.

Supaquick operate to factory specs when carrying out alignment using verified equipment. They are not altering your car beyond its tested and guaranteed specs.
 
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I presume they are not going to look for mods on commuting cars - but they now have a justification to impound vehicles caught street racing.
 

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Lol, so my car uses 185/15 tires. They're hard to find and expensive and the guys at Speedy said I should just use 195/15. Does that now mean my car is illegally modded? Same thing with my shocks. Manufacturer uses Gabriel, I've fitted Armstrongs. How now brown cow?

The specs will include a range of widths and profiles for your car. You have options
 

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You're missing the point- that most people do not modify their cars beyond the tolerances that their vehicles were designed for, and to equate them with backyard turbo enthusiasts is wrong.

Actually not hey; I think that we're onto the same point i.e. the minority modifying their vehicles beyond its tolerances.




I suggest you read the article, then . . . . Nevermind the far larger prevalence of unroadworthy taxis and vehicles that are in horrid states of disrepair continually traversing our roads- those are usually ignored because they are not as soft a group of targets.

I'd be more worried about a car that has been poorly maintained than a car that has been poorly modified, FWIW.



Which is exactly what I said. The people who will be impacted the most are the ones who are not DIY racers.

I did actually read the article, and the ensuing, sometimes asinine comments. And the issue here is not about taxis - that's a different group altogether and someone posted earlier of the province's efforts to reduce the number of unroadworthy taxis on our roads.

Whether it's a poorly maintained car or a poorly modified car, both are dangers on the road - how dangerous, we could argue for days, but I'd prefer both off our roads.
 
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