More violent strikes

[STS]

And even more people would choose a group of sign language capable chimps over the ANC. The problem with the Pro-saffers is that you try to compare SA policies now, to the SA policies under apartheid. But you should be comparing it with the rest of the world. Raise the bar to where it should be and you will probably find that you are irreversibly disappointed by what you see.

i agree and it's a flaw of ours. we just get hyped up when people say it's **** now, as if they're comparing it to something else that they've had, and there is only one other thing we can think of. we should be comparing it with the rest of the world, but we sholud also understand that we had our own problems and that we're slowly overcoming them. i get annoyed by these where is X group now comments as if they now have infallible evidence of why this country is doomed.

it is something i am working on however, i rush into assumptions

 

[The_Unbeliever]

That is the catch22 that the ANC find themselves in right now, which might explain (to a degree) the absolute inability to actually DO anything right now.

They know they need to deal with these strikes appropriately, but they also know that they will alienate large swathes of their support base if they do.

Lovely.

 

[SoulTax]

i agree and it's a flaw of ours. we just get hyped up when people say it's **** now, as if they're comparing it to something else that they've had, and there is only one other thing we can think of. we should be comparing it with the rest of the world, but we sholud also understand that we had our own problems and that we're slowly overcoming them. i get annoyed by these where is X group now comments as if they now have infallible evidence of why this country is doomed.

it is something i am working on however, i rush into assumptions

Personal growth FTW! . I would be inclined to say that the country is in more trouble than "your" group would like to admit. But by no means in as much trouble as the doomsayers would like to think. That does not mean it is in a good place at all. In many ways the country has gone backwards, not in all key areas maybe. But in a worrying number of areas.

 

[falcon786]

Bunch of optimists in thread thread aren't we?

geez some of you are making marine1 one even look good!

 

[Mouse]

it is something i am working on however, i rush into assumptions

At least you're working on an improvement
Unlike our government.

And even more people would choose a group of sign language capable chimps over the ANC. The problem with the Pro-saffers is that you try to compare SA policies now, to the SA policies under apartheid. But you should be comparing it with the rest of the world. Raise the bar to where it should be and you will probably find that you are irreversibly disappointed by what you see.

+1

 

[FaSMaN]

Meh seems Neck_Monster stopped replying, and I was giving him more than enough ammunition...

Guess I fail at trolling lol.

 

[SoulTax]

Meh seems Neck_Monster stopped replying, and I was giving him more than enough ammunition...

Guess I fail at trolling lol.

Sorry, that was my bad I think. :erm:

 

[noxibox]

But you should be comparing it with the rest of the world.

That's setting the bar pretty low. South Africa can do better.

It is however completely appropriate to compare South Africa then to now.

 

[STS]

I was off work fasman, i'll reply tomorrow as i am on my ****ty brick nokia now

what i was trying to say is that every situation is different. You didn't explain the situation, you just said they. And in this instance is was the banks and criminals.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I agree, i realised after posting what i did that one bad does not justify another bad. i just get the ****s in with people who have this attitude as if they go to restaruants and complain that the food isn't up to standard while there are people hungry at the window, and then they sit inside complaining how things have gone downhill with their starters and main meals.

It would be fair to simply say we're all suffering, and we're all working through it. I don't know why people on this forum have to jump up in excitement to take jabs at certain groups or people like hyperactive puppies. It's ****, we'll get over it. Thanks for pointing it out

Ok, I just want to respond to this one...

If I go to a restuarant and the food isn't up to standard, you're saying I shouldn't complain because there are hungry people out there?!?! :wtf:

I have worked my arse off to be able to afford to go to a restuarant, I therefore demand a certain standard from the products they supply.

 

[STS]

Ok, I just want to respond to this one...

If I go to a restuarant and the food isn't up to standard, you're saying I shouldn't complain because there are hungry people out there?!?! :wtf:

I have worked my arse off to be able to afford to go to a restuarant, I therefore demand a certain standard from the products they supply.

for me this is where classism comes from. i wouldn't be able to sit at the table eating dinner while people sat hungry outside, i'm not out to save the world but it's a reminder that the world is a **** place and it puts me off my luxury. likewise when i hear people complain about BEE, i have a job and i work hard, and i understand some people do not get the opportunities that i have had.

i'm subjected to a lot of complaining, there are people that just love to complain. and then there are the armchair activists that feel like their opinions really count when they run inside when it rains. when you read negative comments, how does that improve the country? how does that improve anyone's life? and furthermore when those comments are based on ignorance and a narrow tunnel view of reality which they refuse to change or adjust to what is REALLY happening around us.

you could always say they don't need to improve anything, it's their opinion and they can voice whatever they want, but then it comes back to those people sitting outside hungry again. it's arrogance to assume that we work hard and they don't, it's something we tell ourselves to make ourselves feel better about the rump and crumbed mushrooms we're eating. it has nothing to do with race, a lot of people make it about race, but it's simply about where you are and at what time.

so i can choose to be two people, i can either be 1 of the people that accept the **** and moves on, and tries to do his best, or i can be one of the people that jumps up everytime something bad happens and rub all of your noses in it, telling you i was right all along. and then what? great, i was right. i win a noddy badge. because besides bitching about the state of the country everyday i'm sure people here are doing NOTHING to besides pointing it out every day and getting a smirk every time they do

 

[STS]

Wow good for you, here have a cookie, this isnt the majority case though.

PS Just got out of highschool and got your first job?
Thats the only way I could fathom a 4x increase in 4 years.

Wow so you never made a commitment on a house, guess that 4x isnt worth much then.

I guess this will need some explanation, we owed R280 000 on a house that we purchased for 1.3million, after the cuts at work and my GF at the time lost her job, we couldnt make monthly payments, so we took out a second home loan to put us trough what we thought was 3 months,after 3 months we tried selling it, couldnt 3 months after needless to say we could pay at the end of it, the bank repossessed the house, it was auctioned for R290 000 well below its market value due to some corruption and them not advertising the auction, we stilled owed the bank for the second home loan 30 000+/- and was blacklisted for that.

Then why ask, should I give my company phone back to them and tell them I want a Nokia 3310?

As for luck, I probably was as I managed to get away without being stabbed, wasnt the time before that when I got bashed over the head though, cost me R1200 to go to a local hospital for some stitches,and still have the scar.

Did I ever say I was White?
Or Apartheid was better?

once again i assumed because that was how your comments came across and i was arguing with posters i knew that were white, and simply lumped you into my argument. a lot of people just assume things about this country and life, and when you become aware of it, i don't know about others here, but i try to change my view and adjust. i'm not above making mistakes and assumptions.

actually i've been out of school for years, and my increase has nothing to do with education, it has to do with crooks running businesses and working for a decent company. but not every business is the same and this is what i want the anti-sa group to understand(seems i'm in the pro-sa group now). not EVERY person and organisation is the same.

i never made a commitment on a house because i knew something like that may happen. i'm going through a divorce, and taking out a loan you know the risks, that is why you sign your life away on all those documents. i know it is hard for you, as i'm not losing any money but i am losing something that matters to me too. it's nobody's fault, life simply happens and we have to adjust to it. everyone has a string of bad luck, you lost your house, i lost my wife, some people lose loved ones to diseases and crime. how does this make the rest of the country any worse?

i've never had a decent phone in my life i don't understand the mentality of wanting the most expensive car or wanting an iphone10 and then complaining about the country going down the ****hole. the people that should be saying it is going down the ****hole are the people sitting without toilets, without cars, without jobs that look after them. to me it's just ironic

 

[The_Mowgs]

for me this is where classism comes from. i wouldn't be able to sit at the table eating dinner while people sat hungry outside, i'm not out to save the world but it's a reminder that the world is a **** place and it puts me off my luxury. likewise when i hear people complain about BEE, i have a job and i work hard, and i understand some people do not get the opportunities that i have had.

i'm subjected to a lot of complaining, there are people that just love to complain. and then there are the armchair activists that feel like their opinions really count when they run inside when it rains. when you read negative comments, how does that improve the country? how does that improve anyone's life? and furthermore when those comments are based on ignorance and a narrow tunnel view of reality which they refuse to change or adjust to what is REALLY happening around us.

you could always say they don't need to improve anything, it's their opinion and they can voice whatever they want, but then it comes back to those people sitting outside hungry again. it's arrogance to assume that we work hard and they don't, it's something we tell ourselves to make ourselves feel better about the rump and crumbed mushrooms we're eating. it has nothing to do with race, a lot of people make it about race, but it's simply about where you are and at what time.

so i can choose to be two people, i can either be 1 of the people that accept the **** and moves on, and tries to do his best, or i can be one of the people that jumps up everytime something bad happens and rub all of your noses in it, telling you i was right all along. and then what? great, i was right. i win a noddy badge. because besides bitching about the state of the country everyday i'm sure people here are doing NOTHING to besides pointing it out every day and getting a smirk every time they do

So you don't go to a restaurant because people sit outside without food? Why then do you not sell all of your belongings, donate the money to your new homeless friends and live on the street?

 

[STS]

So you don't go to a restaurant because people sit outside without food? Why then do you not sell all of your belongings, donate the money to your new homeless friends and live on the street?

maybe i do? i'm not telling people to not go to restaurants in my analogy, i'm saying it's funny that the rich and well off sit around bitching about the country while there are those worse off. life owes you NOTHING. be thankful that you're alive and that you're not living in a tin shack and treated like and idiot because of your clothes, your race and your accent