Moving back to SA

[Elimentals]

That's it. South Africa's a good place to have children too.

Very true, but you can not guarantee that for the future esp looking at how things are falling apart.

Besides if you are white, other countries right now is better just because of BEE, At least if you kid leaves School/University in another country he does not get "punished" for something he had no part in.

 

[d0b33]

I've been in Europe for 3 months, even though I've experienced how safe it is here(walking the city streets at night, no need for alarms)... I'm happy to return home for now.

 

[JungleBoy]

Very true, but you can not guarantee that for the future esp looking at how things are falling apart.

Besides if you are white, other countries right now is better just because of BEE, At least if you kid leaves School/University in another country he does not get "punished" for something he had no part in.

I think there is also general paranoia amongst whites. I have had two white neighbours living in the house next door and they never come outside their house. Security gates always locked, blinds and curtains closed and the only time you ever see them outside is when they are leaving or arriving in their car. I find this behaviour very strange considering we live in a very secure estate and there has never been a crime incident ever since we moved here about 4 years ago. This has lead to me thinking that if you gonna live like that you might as well live in England where the weather is always crap and you can be justified for staying indoors all day long.

 

[RSkeens]

I think there is also general paranoia amongst whites. I have had two white neighbours living in the house next door and they never come outside their house. Security gates always locked, blinds and curtains closed and the only time you ever see them outside is when they are leaving or arriving in their car. I find this behaviour very strange considering we live in a very secure estate and there has never been a crime incident ever since we moved here about 4 years ago. This has lead to me thinking that if you gonna live like that you might as well live in England where the weather is always crap and you can be justified for staying indoors all day long.

I am just curious to know how you are aware they never leave the house, considering there are many hours in a day?

 

[Elimentals]

I think there is also general paranoia amongst whites. I have had two white neighbours living in the house next door and they never come outside their house. Security gates always locked, blinds and curtains closed and the only time you ever see them outside is when they are leaving or arriving in their car. I find this behaviour very strange considering we live in a very secure estate and there has never been a crime incident ever since we moved here about 4 years ago. This has lead to me thinking that if you gonna live like that you might as well live in England where the weather is always crap and you can be justified for staying indoors all day long.

What has living in your house in fear got to do with Black empowerment?

Its a simple fact that white males get picked last when positions open up, some companies are not even shy about stating "whites need not apply" positions and we have not even covered tenders. Sure there are jobs but trust me its not as easy to find them when your skill set fall in the general area.

It has noting to do about fear and general paranoia and everything to do with giving your child all the opportunities you can.

 

[Maddmatt]

I am just curious to know how you are aware they never leave the house, considering there are many hours in a day?

Maybe they don't leave because they notice their neighbour spying on them

 

[wily me]

I think there is also general paranoia amongst whites. I have had two white neighbours living in the house next door and they never come outside their house. Security gates always locked, blinds and curtains closed and the only time you ever see them outside is when they are leaving or arriving in their car. I find this behaviour very strange considering we live in a very secure estate and there has never been a crime incident ever since we moved here about 4 years ago. This has lead to me thinking that if you gonna live like that you might as well live in England where the weather is always crap and you can be justified for staying indoors all day long.

If I had a neighbor spying on me 24/7 I will also prefer to keep my wife and daughters locked up indoors for safety sake.

 

[Elimentals]

Or maybe they have a methlab.... you know best place for it is inside a secure estate.

Less chance of da cops to come knocking

 

[noxibox]

Very true, but you can not guarantee that for the future esp looking at how things are falling apart.

Look at how the rest of the world is falling apart. There are no guarantees in life.

Besides if you are white, other countries right now is better just because of BEE, At least if you kid leaves School/University in another country he does not get "punished" for something he had no part in.

No-one's being punished. There's plenty of opportunity for educated white people in South Africa. But my children are beneficiaries of Apartheid because I am still more privileged than most black people due to being white, so they'll have no reason for complaint.

I think there is also general paranoia amongst whites. I have had two white neighbours living in the house next door and they never come outside their house. Security gates always locked, blinds and curtains closed and the only time you ever see them outside is when they are leaving or arriving in their car. I find this behaviour very strange considering we live in a very secure estate and there has never been a crime incident ever since we moved here about 4 years ago. This has lead to me thinking that if you gonna live like that you might as well live in England where the weather is always crap and you can be justified for staying indoors all day long.

The weather in the UK is great all summer. In many ways better than South Africa because it gets too hot here. But it's true that crime fear is about perception as well as reality. You'll get those who will claim children can't cycle to school anymore or play outside on their own, and not just in South Africa. That you can't walk to the shops after dark. I mean we even get people who are shocked that my partner walks to the shops on her own during the day.

 

[Azbubu]

Those of you that are so unhappy here and say that you can't leave, why can't you? Is it that you can't get jobs abroad?

 

[zippy]

I've spoken to many people about this and they all have different views, it's not an easy decision to make. On the one hand I love living in London, public transport is great, I can sleep in peace at night, walk alone at night without a worry in the world. List goes on.

On the other I miss my friends and family, miss the sunny weather, miss the people and also the general familiarity of being in SA.

Strangely enough I don't meet any "new to London" South Africans any more and most that I do meet are planning to return to SA in the near future. It might just be the circles I'm moving in at the moment but I get the general idea that most do want to move back.

How I see things at the moment is that life is short and one should spend your precious little time on earth with people you love. Which in my case would be to move back to SA to be closer to friends and family and then see how it goes.

Another thing to consider is the current living costs in SA, I'm well aware that things has become quiet expensive and being away for 6 years I have NO clue what kind of salary I can expect back in SA.

So bloody confused

I have only met 3 South Africans in the 4 years I have been in the UK. I avoided all the known South African hangouts in London. I lived in London for just under 3 years and moved down to coast in Kent. I like it here. Friendly people. Most of my friends have also left SA do that isn't an incentive for me to return. As for my family, I find I get on way better with them separated by a massive continent and the Med

 

[marine1]

Those of you that are so unhappy here and say that you can't leave, why can't you? Is it that you can't get jobs abroad?

Have you ever tried to leave here? The world does not want us. I am not talking about the UK, who in their right mind wants to go there?
Its not that easy trust me

 

[AvatarS]

I've spoken to many people about this and they all have different views, it's not an easy decision to make.

Everyone's going to have an opinion, and it's based on their personal experiences. So it can be helpful either way, but not something you should base a major decision on as it will differ for you.
Chat to the missus and decide what you both want. Whether to stay put and see how it goes, or do a trial move to SA and see how that works out, or making a permanent move. Whatever it is, resolve to be happy with the decision and don't do the 'what if' bit after you've taken that step.

 

[Azbubu]

Have you ever tried to leave here? The world does not want us. I am not talking about the UK, who in their right mind wants to go there?
Its not that easy trust me

Nope, I haven't tried. But I do know of alot of people that have left, family included. Where then? the US?

 

[JungleBoy]

If I had a neighbor spying on me 24/7 I will also prefer to keep my wife and daughters locked up indoors for safety sake.

I am not spying on them. LOL. Our houses are in a single stand (duets) and we can clearly see their house from our patio. They also have a patio but it is never utilised

 

[Safferbeauty]

Well I lived in U for 3.5 years and I do not regret coming back. Best decision I ever made. I hated living in UK. Hell hole, in my opion and deffinitely not a place to bring children into the world, in my opinion. Rudest bunch of kids I ever met was in UK. If you ever had to leave country best go to NZL but SA no 1!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[wrathex]

I think there is also general paranoia amongst whites. I have had two white neighbours living in the house next door and they never come outside their house. Security gates always locked, blinds and curtains closed and the only time you ever see them outside is when they are leaving or arriving in their car. I find this behaviour very strange considering we live in a very secure estate and there has never been a crime incident ever since we moved here about 4 years ago. This has lead to me thinking that if you gonna live like that you might as well live in England where the weather is always crap and you can be justified for staying indoors all day long.

Not strange behaviour if you have been attacked and raped, and basically forced (out of fear) to leave your home country you loved to get away from the scene of the crime, because after such a traumatic event you are scared, and never the same confident secure person ever again, you trust no-one.

It could be paranoia - and with very good reason. - sad but true

 

[Jola]

Nope, I haven't tried. But I do know of alot of people that have left, family included. Where then? the US?

You need to meet very specific criteria WRT qualifications, age, languages, assets, etc, etc, before you can get into any country, especially the UK, USA, Europe, Canada, Australia, NZ.

Many people that leave have a foreign passport, or a foreign grandfather (eg Ancestry Visa in the UK), or good qualifications that are in high demand.

I couldn't get into Australia some years ago with a Masters Degree in Economics from a British University, because it wasn't regarded as a scarce or valuable skill. I got full marks in all of the other points categories. I didn't have enough money to get in on the wealth category.

 

[koffiejunkie]

...you might as well live in England where the weather is always crap and you can be justified for staying indoors all day long.

The weather is not always crap. In fact, the summer has been mostly sunny. And the days are longer. So, more sunshine. At the same time, when I was in the Cape (between Stellenbosch and Cape Town) in December, it was 15 ᵒC in the middle of the freakin day and it rained.

 

[JungleBoy]

The weather is not always crap. In fact, the summer has been mostly sunny. And the days are longer. So, more sunshine. At the same time, when I was in the Cape (between Stellenbosch and Cape Town) in December, it was 15 ᵒC in the middle of the freakin day and it rained.

But that is CT...they can get 4 seasons all in one day