MPs call for consequences following Sona delay

Excalibur

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They clearly tell you that they will disrupt and won't allow the president to speak, why don't you shut the doors to them for SONA? I'm sure in any other gathering security will not grant you access after such threats.
 

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The EFF were encouraged to behave this way in the past because of a united opposition to Jacob Zuma. They don't have that same support anymore from the rest of the opposition and are just pissing everyone off.
This one is entirely on the media. Malema was the media darling because he was opposition to the ANC but didn't commit the crime of being part of the DA.
 

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They clearly tell you that they will disrupt and won't allow the president to speak, why don't you shut the doors to them for SONA? I'm sure in any other gathering security will not grant you access after such threats.
They "disrupted" parliament within the bounds of the rules, that's why the speaker couldn't kick them out because they didn't break any rule. They simply used the right to raise a point of order to make frivolous points repeatedly, and there's no rule that prevents this ie, the raising of a point of order - it is only after the point of order is raise can you determine that it is frivolous but until then you don't know and so you cannot prevent a new point of order being raised. Their conduct should be understood to be filibustering, which is a tactic used in other parts of the world - its part of politics.
 

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They "disrupted" parliament within the bounds of the rules, that's why the speaker couldn't kick them out because they didn't break any rule. They simply used the right to raise a point of order to make frivolous points repeatedly, and there's no rule that prevents this ie, the raising of a point of order - it is only after the point of order is raise can you determine that it is frivolous but until then you don't know and so you cannot prevent the point of order being raised. Their conduct should be understood to be filibustering, which is a tactic used in other parts of the world - its part of politics.
Then they need to change the rules (the majority can pass it) as this means they can do it all night if they want.
 

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I hope this is handled better than the fight against corruption.
 

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There are no consequences or repercussions in this country for disregarding rules and breaking laws- nothing will happen to any of the EFF members.
 

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Cyril should simply record his speech and it can be played back on the night of SONA on TV and radio at the scheduled time and no amount of objections or "points of order" will be able to delay or interrupt it.
Cyril can sit there and smile while his speech goes on without delay.
 

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Cyril should simply record his speech and it can be played back on the night of SONA on TV and radio at the scheduled time and no amount of objections or "points of order" will be able to delay or interrupt it.
Cyril can sit there and smile while his speech goes on without delay.
There would literally be human faeces on the screen and projector by the time the recording finished.
 

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Cyril should simply record his speech and it can be played back on the night of SONA on TV and radio at the scheduled time and no amount of objections or "points of order" will be able to delay or interrupt it.
Cyril can sit there and smile while his speech goes on without delay.
That's all good for now, but just remember that in a few years time it will also apply to Mabuza, and a few years ago it would have applied to Zuma. And you don't necessarily want guys like that to just say as they please without being able to call them to account immediately. Rules need to be written to also take into account the worst case scenario of having a poor leader in charge...
 

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Nothing ever happens to EFF MPs...


It's creepy how much the EFF resemble the Nazis in the way they go about business.

Unfortunately, much of the SA media is rather supine and don't treat the EFF the way they should (e.g. fawning coverage by the SABC and ENCA last night).
Just look at the comments. They're acting this way because they get away with it, openly mocking. That creates a greater sense of entitlement where these idiots believe they are absolved from rules. Also laws? Where are the VBS trials?

As Patricia called it, and quite correctly so:
"The EFF, many of them, don't know what we went through for the freedom of this country today so I will not be sitting there to be insulted by young people who don't respect the rule of law."
Anybody not seeing it is either blind or an idiot.
 

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Why should a party that got 10% of the votes get to shut down parliament? Do you condone this?
Your statement has the Zuma's "we are the majority, therefore we have more rights than you" vibes about it.

I think that's what he is talking about, what they did is wrong and it shouldn't matter whether they have 10 or 60% of the vote.
 

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Nothing ever happens to EFF MPs...


It's creepy how much the EFF resemble the Nazis in the way they go about business.

Unfortunately, much of the SA media is rather supine and don't treat the EFF the way they should (e.g. fawning coverage by the SABC and ENCA last night).
I would say the EFF is actually more akin to communist regimes like the Soviet Union days. They bully with impunity and the outcome if in control will be the total starvation of an entire nation.
 
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