MTN in talks to stream content: report

Most times YouTube doesn't stream smoothly, so how can something that needs more bandwidth stream smoothly? Fibre ftw.
 
dabbler said:
Most times YouTube doesn't stream smoothly, so how can something that needs more bandwidth stream smoothly? Fibre ftw.
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YouTube isn't exactly known for being a particularly smooth service. Netflix streams plenty smoothly on a reasonable line speed. Hell, I can do 3 Netflix FHD streams on my line but I can't manage a single YouTube one without any caching.
 
Ye, why does You Tube stream so terribly? Drives me nuts :(
 
Google has direct local peering available over fibre to ISPs in South Africa at Teraco (Joburg), so the streaming should be fast and smooth on those who take advantage, like MWeb.

I'm not sure about Internet Solutions, Telkom, Neotel, MTN and Vodacom charge for peering and connections, so they may not have the full benefit of direct peering. Maybe someone can comment on them.

It is worth doing traceroutes on youtube.com to see what your ISP gets up to.
 
MTN has the size and muscle to run such projects but they get stuck on pricing. How will they overcome that hurdle? - probably run a long 'free trial with selected customers'.
 
entrepr said:
It is worth doing traceroutes on youtube.com to see what your ISP gets up to.
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I'm on Telkom Uncapped, did a traceroute and got the following - I have no idea what this means;

Tracing route to youtube.com [74.125.225.73]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 10.0.0.2
2 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms ti-224-248-01.telkomadsl.co.za [105.224.248.1]
3 13 ms 12 ms 11 ms ti-226-0-22.telkomadsl.co.za [105.226.0.22]
4 13 ms 12 ms 13 ms ti-226-0-57.telkomadsl.co.za [105.226.0.57]
5 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms 165.165.214.213
6 156 ms 155 ms 155 ms lon-ip-hsll-1-gig-7-1-0.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.
43.9.58]
7 166 ms 155 ms 157 ms 196.25.191.146
8 155 ms 155 ms 155 ms 209.85.246.244
9 158 ms 163 ms 166 ms 209.85.245.2
10 233 ms 233 ms 232 ms 64.233.175.38
11 268 ms 247 ms 248 ms 209.85.246.83
12 247 ms 257 ms 246 ms 72.14.237.131
13 258 ms 248 ms 246 ms 209.85.250.30
14 247 ms 247 ms 248 ms ord08s07-in-f9.1e100.net [74.125.225.73]

Trace complete.
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I'm on AH(MTN)

Ignore the times. I'm busy with downloads running at full speed.

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Jupiter>tracert youtube.com

Tracing route to youtube.com [173.194.113.160]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 51 ms 18 ms 9 ms 105-236-8-129-esr-lo.mtnbusiness.co.za [105.236.
8.129]
3 132 ms 113 ms 84 ms 41.181.201.94
4 74 ms 18 ms 20 ms tb-dca-2.za--qux-c.za.mtnbusiness.net [41.181.19
8.188]
5 36 ms 19 ms 52 ms compj-cpt-1.mtnns.net [196.44.18.2]
6 165 ms 170 ms 188 ms ls-cr-2--tb-cr-1.uk-b.mtnns.net [196.44.31.113]

7 207 ms 172 ms 214 ms am-cr-1.nl--ls-cr-2.uk-a.mtnns.net [196.44.31.18
3]
8 185 ms 189 ms 183 ms am-tpr-1.nl--am-cr-1.nl-a.mtn.net [209.212.111.1
41]
9 212 ms 173 ms 173 ms core2.ams.net.google.com [195.69.145.100]
10 174 ms 184 ms 185 ms 209.85.254.90
11 202 ms 254 ms 184 ms 72.14.238.153
12 226 ms 212 ms 208 ms 209.85.255.85
13 216 ms 199 ms 219 ms 209.85.255.61
14 239 ms 265 ms 211 ms 72.14.233.217
15 206 ms 250 ms 234 ms 72.14.235.213
16 178 ms 200 ms 209 ms ham02s12-in-f0.1e100.net [173.194.113.160]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Jupiter>
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genetic said:
I'm not questioning my pings, I'm more interested in what entrepr mentioned about some ISP's utilising direct peering.
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Something odd with your routing, I'm using TI's DNS servers and connecting to the local youtube servers by the looks of things:

Code: 
[mick@mick1 ~]$  mtr -rc 10 youtube.com
Start: Sat Apr 26 13:02:12 2014
HOST: mick1.mickza                Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
  1.|-- newcop                     0.0%    10    0.2   0.2   0.1   0.3   0.0
  2.|-- ti-224-140-01.telkomadsl.  0.0%    10    7.0   7.1   6.4   7.5   0.0
  3.|-- ti-226-0-22.telkomadsl.co  0.0%    10   18.4  18.5  18.0  19.4   0.0
  4.|-- ti-226-0-57.telkomadsl.co  0.0%    10   18.3  18.5  18.1  18.9   0.0
  5.|-- 165.165.214.213            0.0%    10   22.9  18.6  17.8  22.9   1.5
  6.|-- rrba-ip-lir-1-gig-3-0-0.t  0.0%    10   42.7  42.4  42.0  42.7   0.0
  7.|-- 72.14.212.1                0.0%    10   43.1  43.4  42.9  44.7   0.5
  8.|-- 64.233.174.57              0.0%    10   43.0  44.9  42.9  54.0   3.6
  9.|-- jnb01s02-in-f3.1e100.net   0.0%    10   42.9  43.3  42.5  45.7   0.7
 
MickZA said:
Something odd with your routing, I'm using TI's DNS servers and connecting to the local youtube servers by the looks of things:

Code: 
[mick@mick1 ~]$  mtr -rc 10 youtube.com
Start: Sat Apr 26 13:02:12 2014
HOST: mick1.mickza                Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
  1.|-- newcop                     0.0%    10    0.2   0.2   0.1   0.3   0.0
  2.|-- ti-224-140-01.telkomadsl.  0.0%    10    7.0   7.1   6.4   7.5   0.0
  3.|-- ti-226-0-22.telkomadsl.co  0.0%    10   18.4  18.5  18.0  19.4   0.0
  4.|-- ti-226-0-57.telkomadsl.co  0.0%    10   18.3  18.5  18.1  18.9   0.0
  5.|-- 165.165.214.213            0.0%    10   22.9  18.6  17.8  22.9   1.5
  6.|-- rrba-ip-lir-1-gig-3-0-0.t  0.0%    10   42.7  42.4  42.0  42.7   0.0
  7.|-- 72.14.212.1                0.0%    10   43.1  43.4  42.9  44.7   0.5
  8.|-- 64.233.174.57              0.0%    10   43.0  44.9  42.9  54.0   3.6
  9.|-- jnb01s02-in-f3.1e100.net   0.0%    10   42.9  43.3  42.5  45.7   0.7
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Interesting... Can I change my DNS servers to get better results?
 
I think Micksa is connecting to the local. No packet loss and sub 50ms ping times for PE would suggest Joburg peering

That seems like Telkom does have local peering then. The only issue with them is if the peering link itself may sometimes saturate (due to their non-open peering policies).

Genetic's ping times of >170ms would suggest international connection from MTN Business - not good
 
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RoMark said:
I'm on AH(MTN)

Ignore the times. I'm busy with downloads running at full speed.
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Looks like you are getting >170ms ping times which suggests international connection. It is Saturday morning so MTNBusiness may have spare capacity from it's dormant business customers. You may well get full speed downloads but would be more prone to variation in the download speed
 
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