MWeb - New line endless issues & terrible support

Glipsie

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Anyone thinking of moving their ADSL line or opening a new line with MWeb - Don't! While their uncapped packages are excellent, their support and troubleshooting on lines is just horrendous. Its much easier dealing with Telkom!

I applied on the 9th of April for a second line + uncapped for load balancing/redundancy. Sign-up wasn't too bad except it felt like I had to beg them to take my order. Once I had submitted all the documents they required I asked for an installation date - none was forthcoming and no-one could give me a Telkom reference number.

On or around the 20th of April I emailed the sales person that helped me and asked if their was an update on my order (Telkom normally do self-installs within 2 days in my area). The sales person apologised and said I should've received my login details via sms and sent them to me via email instead. Great, except the ADSL modem had no line sync.
I phoned support who told me that they had no access to the line, therefore it was not yet converted and I had to wait 28 days before I could complain.
As this was a backup line, I wasn't in that much of a hurry. I phoned a couple more times before the 28 days ran out, afterwhich the call center ran out of excuses. My next step was to pm MWeb Operations (10th May), who got "one of his guys" to phone me. Unfortunately when the person phoned me I was on the way to the airport, so the call was passed on to someone who didn't quite fully understand the situation so nothing was accomplished.

Eventually around the 18th of May, someone at MWeb managed to get my line to synchronise. Problem was, it synchronised at 768kbps. Once again I phoned technical support. A ticket was opened and someone phoned me back about 3 days later telling me that I was too far from the exchange (5.8km). At this point I contacted [email protected] where Ebrahim had me try a few things (changing from ADSL2 to ADSL to G.dmt). After that failed I was once again told that I was too far from the exchange.

At the beginning of the month I decided to move the router from the MWeb line to my original line with Telkom (there was only a modem on the line before so I couldn't get line readings). This was the result:
http://img205.imageshack.us/i/4mbline.png/
While the mweb line gave readings of:
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http://img190.imageshack.us/i/mwebline2.png/
and
http://img249.imageshack.us/i/mwebline3.png/

I forwarded this information to Ebrahim. Once again I was contacted by technical support where I was told that there is definitely a problem with the line as my original line is showing a distance of 3km to the exchange!
Since then, MWeb has been quiet, but don't think they won't charge you! So far I have had over R2000 deducted from my account for a line that has NEVER worked properly.

Moral of the story, keep you line with Telkom:
1. Its easier to lay blame
2. You can report problems directly to them
3. They actually give refunds when its their fault!
 
Todays result:
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http://img138.imageshack.us/i/mweb20100625.png/
Note the errors!
 
lol wel i always tell everuone that i speak to to keep their ADSL lines with Telkom, and only use mweb as a ISP, its not that much of a saving in the longrun, maybe its about R20 a month more with telkom, but at least u know its better dealing with TECh from them as everyone knows MWEB's tech support is really of low standard
 
lol wel i always tell everuone that i speak to to keep their ADSL lines with Telkom, and only use mweb as a ISP, its not that much of a saving in the longrun, maybe its about R20 a month more with telkom, but at least u know its better dealing with TECh from them as everyone knows MWEB's tech support is really of low standard

+1. Seems to be a general rule. Keep your ADSL with Telkom and move ISPs if necessary.
 
Hi Glipsie,

As per your discussion with Ebrahim earlier today a Telkom technician will be coming out to you on Monday 28/06/2010 to have this issue resolved.

Kind Regards
MWEB Operations
 
I tried to upgrade from dialup to ADSL via mweb in 2006 and their sevice was pathetic.
Billing department cost me around R600 and I ended up using Telkom.

Will never use them again.
No matter how cheap they are.
 
I do not understand how there are so many people having hassles with mweb, i have been with them for almost 6 years now, and never had any hassles, hell i am even going to upgrade to the 4meg uncapped today
 
Sorry to hear although it could be worse
The most obvious difference is the noise margin being lower on the slower line
the higher the noise margin the better the connection
I hope that it gets better

However as per Telkoms official statement fastest ADSL is currently from 640Kb up to 4096Kb

The quality of the line depends on a few things
Firstly how far you are from the exchange (which obviously should be same for both you lines)
Then the quality of the copper of the line and any connections in between which can differ allot between two phone lines that was installed at different times.
The first line could be new copper and the second one could be running through older redundant copper

There is also the fact that even if you take your line through MWEB that the technicians who installed the line is Telkoms people and Telkom does not provide a SLA to anyone on ADSL lines not even to the ISP’s

For Telkom ADSL is best effort service and their official agreement is that if you sync above a certain speed then they say it is OK

Here is their official statement
http://www.telkom.co.za/products_services/dsl/dslaccesonly.html

DSL speeds cannot be guaranteed due to factors including line length, copper quality and network availability. Telkom does not have control over the throughput speeds once the World Wide Web or your ISP's equipment is reached.
The speed profiles for the DSL services changes as per the profiles listed below. The speed of the service is the line sync speed between the modem and the Telkom exchange equipment, throughput cannot be guaranteed once you enter the www or your ISP's domain
The Fastest DSL service has 4 sub-profiles, which are used to stabilize customers' service that experience re-synchs (service interruptions) on their ADSL lines due to last mile distance, noise and attenuation. Therefore customers that experience problems on the service may be accommodated on any of the secondary profiles below:
Secondary profile
A. min sync rate: 640kbps; max sync rate: 4096kbps
B. min sync rate: 640kbps; max sync rate: 3072kbps
C. min sync rate: 640kbps; max sync rate: 2048kbps
D. min sync rate: 640kbps; max sync rate: 1024kbps
What the above entails is that if a customer does not sync at the profile listed in A above they will be accommodated on B, C or D depending on the line sync speed.
How do these profile benefit you?
Fast and Faster DSL customers who are unable to connect (sync) at the speed relevant to that service i.e. Fast DSL at 384kbps due to factors such as line length or quality will be accommodated down from 384Kbps in 32Kbps decrements, but not lower than 256Kbps, until the service connects (sync's successfully). Customers who apply for any of the DSL service will be accommodated on the highest speed possible as per the profile for that service explained above. Should your line not sync at the required speed we will attempt to sync your line down from the speed applied for in 32kbps decrements. Existing services are deemed acceptable should they fall anywhere between the profiles for that service.
 
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Firstly how far you are from the exchange (which obviously should be same for both you lines)
2km line of site. 3km for the good line (according to Telkom).

Then the quality of the copper of the line and any connections in between which can differ allot between two phone lines that was installed at different times.
The first line could be new copper and the second one could be running through older redundant copper

The original line has been installed here since we moved in in 2007. The MWeb line was run from the pole, so I assume its newer. No way to tell really for the rest of the way, though I would assume it would take the same path?

There is also the fact that even if you take your line through MWEB that the technicians who installed the line is Telkoms people and Telkom does not provide a SLA to anyone on ADSL lines not even to the ISP’s

For Telkom ADSL is best effort service and their official agreement is that if you sync above a certain speed then they say it is OK
<snip>
While I would normally accept that (grudgingly), there is no excuse for a line that barely works at 1Mb when the one in the next room works perfectly at 4Mb. ADSL is a "best effort" service, best effort for this premises is 4Mb, so I expect 4Mb!

Glipsie
 
Just because they ran a new cable from the pole does not mean that the copper is all new
Yes the part from the pole to your place is new but what about the copper that runs to that pole from the junction box and what about the copper from the exchange to the junction box (can’t really tell me they ran all of that in now for one line)
And how about all the connectors in between
It could be 20 years old for all you know
Your premises also does not guarantee performance because the copper the two runs through is not necessarily the same
As for that even on the good line the 55db attenuation is in the poor range for ADSL
But there at least you get a reasonable noise margin
However with the almost doubling of your noise margin you may be able to get a better sync on the line
Telkom may have set the line speed down to get an sync and may not have lifted the limit after the guy improved the line. So the may be able to lift that
As for best effort this is Telkom’s best effort not what a person would expect the best effort to be
By calling it best effort service they clear themselves from any obligation since if their best effort is to give you a minimum line speed then they are clear from any obligation
There is even a report on the forums here about one guy who got the minimum sync rate that Telkom promised and then he complained to get a proper sync
Telkom went out 3 times and could not improve it so they canceled his line
not fair but that is Telkoms way of doing things
 
Final result is that the line is too far from the exchange (6km) and there is nothing Telkom can do about it.
I have sent through cancellation forms and will apply for ADSL on this line through Telkom.

Next stop, the competition commission?
 
Final result is that the line is too far from the exchange (6km) and there is nothing Telkom can do about it.
I have sent through cancellation forms and will apply for ADSL on this line through Telkom.

Next stop, the competition commission?

WTF telkom tell you that you are 6km's away which is rather far, then you are going to cancel the line and reapply with telkom?

I think i need to go smoke it up cause i am rather foncused here.
 
WTF telkom tell you that you are 6km's away which is rather far, then you are going to cancel the line and reapply with telkom?

I think i need to go smoke it up cause i am rather foncused here.

Maybe you should read the entire thread before jumping in half way.
The MWeb line is line #2 for the premises. Line #1 is working fine @ 4Mb and is only 3km from the exchange. So why route competitors along a cable that is double the distance?
 
Glipsie, may I ask what router you are using? Routers with a Broadcom chipset work great on poor lines. Like a Netgear DGN2000 or Billion 7800n. My sync went from 1 - 1.5 meg and frequent dropouts to nothing less than full line speed when I changed from the Mega 100WR to the DGN2000.
 
Glipsie, may I ask what router you are using? Routers with a Broadcom chipset work great on poor lines. Like a Netgear DGN2000 or Billion 7800n. My sync went from 1 - 1.5 meg and frequent dropouts to nothing less than full line speed when I changed from the Mega 100WR to the DGN2000.

I tried multiple, started off with a Billion 7300g, moved on to a planet ADE-4400 and finally a Netgear DG834N (went back to the planet because the statistic pages shows CRC errors, seriously errored seconds, unavailable seconds etc)
 
Agreed

Im using mweb paying so much money for a 4mb line and everything
Yet i get the slowest most inconsistent internet. Ill be changing soon if this doesnt stop
 
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