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read their terms and conditions, gary posted it under their discussion thread, basically it reserves the right to limit speed etc
 
Here are their terms and conditions... http://www.mweb.co.za/legalpolicies/ProductsServices/ADSLTerms2010/tabid/1918/Default.aspx

5. ADSL Acceptable Use Policy

5.2 You will not use the ADSL Service, directly or indirectly, in a way that:

5.2.9 in MWEB’s sole discretion constitutes abuse of the ADSL Service or of MWEB’s system.

5.6 You may not restrict, inhibit or interfere with the ability of any person to access, use or enjoy the Internet or the ADSL Services, or create an unusually large burden on our network, including, without limitation, continuously uploading or downloading streaming video or audio; continuous FTP uploading or downloading, or otherwise generating levels of traffic sufficient to impede others' ability to send or retrieve information, or to use the ADSL Services in an abusive manner in connection with any unlimited packages, options or promotions.

5.7 We reserve the right to establish policies, rules and limitations, from time to time, concerning the use of the ADSL Service. You must comply with any bandwidth, data storage and other limitations we may impose, in our sole discretion. Failure to comply with these rules will result in your service being restricted, suspended or terminated, in our sole discretion.

5.8 We will manage bandwidth usage to the best of our ability during peak periods, however, it remains a best effort service.

5.9 We reserve the right to manage our network in order to optimize its efficiency for the benefit of all our subscribers, including, without limitation, by way of the following: rate limiting (speed), rejection or removal of spam or otherwise unsolicited bulk e-mail, anti-virus mechanisms, protocol filtering and imposing restrictions on your use. We may take any other action we deem appropriate in order to help ensure the integrity of the network experience for all subscribers, including limiting your data traffic by controlling your network and/or bandwidth usage.

5.10 You may not use the ADSL Service for unattended automated operation, unless otherwise agreed. You may stay connected as long as you are actively using that connection. You further agree not to use Internet applications for the purpose of simulating network activity to avoid session inactivity disconnection.

There goes BitTorrent and News Server downloading.

5.12 We are committed to provide you with uninterrupted ADSL Services. However, we can not guarantee that the ADSL Service and the allocated capacity will always be available. .

5.13 We can terminate the ADSL Service at any time if we decide to discontinue the ADSL Service offering for any reason whatsoever, without any further liability to you.

5.14 If the ADSL Service is used in a way that we, in our sole discretion, believe violates this Acceptable Use Policy or any of our rules or limitations, we may take any responsive actions we deem appropriate. Such actions may include without limitation, temporary or permanent removal of content, cancellation of newsgroup posts, filtering of Internet transmissions, and/or the immediate limitation, restriction, suspension or termination of all or any portion of the ADSL Services or your account.

OK, just as I suspected. These are fairly Draconian terms.... and does not allow for P2P usage at all.

I guess for those of you who are just going to be Browsing the web it might be nice... but for those who actually want to use the Internet for other applications, you are going to find yourself running afoul of those Terms and Conditions. :(
 
Can we complain to ASASA, seeing that it is advertised as an uncapped service where you can use as much as you like?
* Use as much data as you like
* FAST always-on Internet access
* Phone and surf the web at the same time
* Pay a fixed monthly price
* Ideal for video calling, gaming, downloads and running a small office
 
read their terms and conditions, gary posted it under their discussion thread, basically it reserves the right to limit speed etc

Still a flippin good offer ... So I will be a goody goody and rape it over night ... ala Axxess off-peak uncapped and it will be cheaper as it includes line rental.
 
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gonna sign up for work, was about to get uncapped from Nexus, but at almost half the price for all inclusive business ADSL.. you cannot go wrong!
 
Gary, I don't see anywhere that it states that P2P is not allowed, lets not start spreading FUD now.
 
Article about it here: http://www.news24.com/Content/SciTe...2010-09-13/Internet_game_changes_for_SA_users
Cape Town - MWEB has thrown down the gauntlet to its competitors by announcing uncapped broadband packages for local users, in what looks set to change the internet landscape in South Africa.

"We realised there's a major gap in the market. South Africa doesn't experience the internet like the rest of the world does. It's a fantastic opportunity to change the internet in SA," MWEB CEO Rudi Jansen told News24.

Jansen added that the market still has a long way to go.

"This is not the end. There are still probably three or four big things that have to change in this market and for us, this is the first step. The other things that have to change are we have to get the mobile operators to offer wholesale data. The more competition there is, the better it is for the market.

"Telkom has to allow users of ADSL to split the line rental for the telephone line and the line rental for ADSL. That absolutely has to happen; then this market will grow," he added.

Monopoly

Even though MWEB and other ISPs can offer data, Telkom has the monopoly on the lines into households at present. Jansen said that inter-process costs (IPC) were hurting the market.

"Peering and the IPC cost is the biggest killer of the internet in this market. If those costs are reduced, we'll see costs come down even further," he said.

Jansen said that MWEB subscribers would not automatically be expected to fork out for the uncapped ADSL, but that they would be upgraded, depending on the package they currently had.

"For the people who are on a product, where the price point is more than what the uncapped product will actually go for, they will automatically migrate to the uncapped product.

"For the capped products, where the pricing is less than the uncapped product, we've given the people additional bandwidth on those products so going from one gig all inclusive at R199, that will go to two gig. But those people will keep paying R199. The uncapped product starts at R219. We don't want to force people to pay more; if they choose to pay more they can actually do it," said Jansen.

He added that the service would be available to subscribers on April 1 and new users could join on March 22. He also clarified MWEB's position on whether the service was truly "uncapped".

"It will change users' online behaviour, we've seen it wherever we operate in the world. And yes, it's truly uncapped. There are acceptable use policies in place. If you're going to run your business with massive amounts of piracy, video downloads, that's not what this is for.”

Competitors

"This is to stay within the law, so things like that we won't tolerate. So as long as you stay within the boundaries of the terms and conditions, it is truly uncapped. You can use a 100 gig of data if that's what you want to use," he said.

He also warned that MWEB profits would be reduced in the short term.

"Like any subscription business, it's a volumes game. Our margins will decrease dramatically, but the more people we get on, it will pay the bills. It's an investment we're quite prepared to make into the future and the business plan showed a turnaround within a year."

Jansen threw down the gauntlet to competitors.

"For the competitors, they're free to follow us - they're free to be stuck in the dark ages. It's up to them; it's a difficult one to speculate. I hope it changes the market for everybody and our biggest hope is that it brings down the local cost."
Think I'm gonna wait and see if anyone is nailed by the T&Cs before signing up. I don't need to do 1TB per month, just 50-100GB. And the paid-for usenet services abroad shouldn't be a problem as far as I can tell.
 
Gary, I don't see anywhere that it states that P2P is not allowed, lets not start spreading FUD now.

This is from their website....

It will change users' online behaviour, we've seen it wherever we operate in the world. And yes, it's truly uncapped. There are acceptable use policies in place. If you're going to run your business with massive amounts of piracy, video downloads, that's not what this is for.”

"This is to stay within the law, so things like that we won't tolerate. So as long as you stay within the boundaries of the terms and conditions, it is truly uncapped. You can use a 100 gig of data if that's what you want to use," he said.

So as long as your P2P does not include that you should be fine.

But I'm willing to wait until we see the first users get their warning/abuse letters (like they did when Mweb ran the free local uncapped trial).

This has all happened before remember.
 
Im with Gary on this. People see uncapped and are already getting their NZB's queued up on ALT BINZ.
Hopefully Axxess will respond soon with some sort of a price cut, i love their product but a price cut would be welcome.
 
Gary, your agenda is obvious, you probably work for an ISP that is directly affected.

If you're going to run your business with massive amounts of piracy, video downloads, that's not what this is for.

I have a moderate to heavy need for piracy, this will work for me.
 
You say that... till you get your email from Mweb saying you have been blacklisted for abusing the service. it has happened!
 
Gary, your agenda is obvious, you probably work for an ISP that is directly affected.

I have a moderate to heavy need for piracy, this will work for me.

haha... you don't post here much do you?
 
but guys remember all the ISP have these condition and even axxess, but still people do rape them, i doubt it that the ISP's will go and monitor the account for a uncapped user as uncapped is for heavy users, and they not actually alowed to monitor what you downloading unless they recieve a complaint from someone. its worth a try, as its month to month
 
I have been uncapped for a while at a large cost. I always felt compelled to download as much as possible to get value for money. I ended buying many hard-drives to horde all the info that i would never have time to use it all. I realised that i would only take what i needed and forget about the cost. I think that many will abuse the system until they realise that it will always be there when needed.

Looking forward to cheaper uncapped. Terms and conditions are only their to have power to change later. I say give it a try and if you don't like it or they change, then you can go back to your old ISP in minutes. It is month to month after all.
 
Awesome!

wow. signed up for 4mb uncapped residential @539/month. so far: EXCELLENT!!!! 2.6mb/.27 down/up to/from UK and US!! decent latency (100ms local, 300ms international). prorated the first month. my vpns work fine, apparently not shaped. so far, so amazing. voip works (single channel).

we'll see how this proceeds as the take on more customers but to Mweb: wow, you totally made my month!
 
A response from WebAfrica:

http://forums.webafrica.co.za/showthread.php?t=3422

"I don't see how this is going to sustainable. Seems like Verizon (now MTN Business) Uncapped offering all over again back in 2005. Amazing offering which quickly became unmanageable. After 3 months the service degraded to a point which made it unusable and we had to refund our customers. After 6 months Verizon discontinued the service."
 
After so many problems with Screamer Uncapped ADSL which is still ongoing, I am always skeptical about offerings like this.
 
Awesome!

wow. signed up for 4mb uncapped residential @539/month. so far: EXCELLENT!!!! 2.6mb/.27 down/up to/from UK and US!! decent latency (100ms local, 300ms international). prorated the first month. my vpns work fine, apparently not shaped. so far, so amazing. voip works (single channel).

we'll see how this proceeds as the take on more customers but to Mweb: wow, you totally made my month!

Tudorc is that a latency test to UK?
if not could you please run one?
 
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