Nasa returning to the moon

[Sm00thSm0k3]

As far as my personal research is concerned NASA i.e. DOD/The US Space Naval Command knows a lot more about the moon (and any activities that may or may not be happening on it) than what has been revealed in the public domain so whatever US taxpayer money has been allocated to this facade will just be used to fund more clandestine operations.

 

[carstensdj]

As far as my personal research is concerned NASA i.e. The US Space Naval Command knows a lot more about the moon (and any activities that may or may not be happening on it) than what has been revealed in the public domain so whatever US taxpayer money has been allocated to this facade will just be used to fund more clandestine operations.

+1000000000!

They know A LOT more than they care to share! The USA has an obsession with "On a need to know basis"

 

[Jab]

I hear your point, but surely when it comes to explaining what was found, and to truly understand the environment of the moon, man would need to be there? Yea ofcourse machines can gather data, but can they be as descriptive in their findings? At the end of the day, what they find gets deciphered by humans... Just a question...

I think what im trying to say is that we can send robots where ever we want, and they are capable of doing all the manual labour of gathering resources and such, but can we truly understand an environment without having been there? Just to use an example, you can hear about an earthquake on the news and read all the statistical data you want, but can you truly understand in depth the experience of what happened by not actually having been there? <-- Terrible example, but do you get where im going with it?

If you explain why we send robots to Mars rather then humans, I'll explain why we send robots to the Moon rather then humans.

 

[Jab]

As far as my personal research is concerned NASA i.e. DOD/The US Space Naval Command knows a lot more about the moon (and any activities that may or may not be happening on it) than what has been revealed in the public domain so whatever US taxpayer money has been allocated to this facade will just be used to fund more clandestine operations.

 

[Zyraz]

As far as my personal research is concerned NASA i.e. DOD/The US Space Naval Command knows a lot more about the moon (and any activities that may or may not be happening on it) than what has been revealed in the public domain so whatever US taxpayer money has been allocated to this facade will just be used to fund more clandestine operations.

Watched transformers 3 lately ? :|

 

[Kornhub]

We're in the Technology era now, and with so much being done at the moment about finding out whats actually happening out there, i can think of PLENTY of reasons why they would have sent people to the moon... My other argument is that we know NOTHING about the moon, so if we can "send man to the moon", why the hell are they sending robots??? To truly gauge whats happening, we need to send PEOPLE there, but they're sending robots because we CANT actually send man there. There is no logical explanation as to why it could be done in the 60's, when home PC's were not even around, but now with all that we have, we cant do it?!?!?! Agree, disagree?

You believe that moon landing conspiracy kark? :wtf:

 

[carstensdj]

If you explain why we send robots to Mars rather then humans, I'll explain why we send robots to the Moon rather then humans.

Although still severe, the conditions on the moon are FAR LESS severe than on Mars, hence there is more chance of having equipment and suits that humans can use and operate in that environment as opposed to what they will experience on Mars...

My original point was that they HAVENT sent humans to the moon and that it was all staged as it's something that has NEVER happened since it allegedly did in the 60's... How did it happen ONCE and never again?

 

[carstensdj]

You believe that moon landing conspiracy kark? :wtf:

U saying it did happen? :wtf:

 

[Sm00thSm0k3]

Yeah I was waiting for some stupid comment like that. Post anything against the norm and you're automatically labelled as a conspiracy nut (which I'm not BTW).

If you choose to believe whatever the media and NASA throws out there then that's your business.

Watched transformers 3 lately ? :|

Nope. Lost complete interest at the 2nd one.

 

[Kornhub]

U saying it did happen? :wtf:

Yebo

 

[carstensdj]

Yebo

Why do you believe it? Im not saying that it didnt or saying that you are wrong... i just personally see too many flaws in the story to believe it actually happened, like the fact that we cant do this today, but we could 40years ago... Should we not know A LOT more about the moon if we landed there 40years ago?

It takes people 1WEEK to erect an entire squatter camp with NO money, but more than 40years to put anything substantial on the moon, not to mention the Billions they have in their budgets... Knowing America, if they had actually landed on the moon, they'd have been back a few times! Just my opinion...

 

[Elimentals]

We're in the Technology era now, and with so much being done at the moment about finding out whats actually happening out there, i can think of PLENTY of reasons why they would have sent people to the moon... My other argument is that we know NOTHING about the moon, so if we can "send man to the moon", why the hell are they sending robots??? To truly gauge whats happening, we need to send PEOPLE there, but they're sending robots because we CANT actually send man there. There is no logical explanation as to why it could be done in the 60's, when home PC's were not even around, but now with all that we have, we cant do it?!?!?! Agree, disagree?

The robots will be circling the moon for 3 month's +. Good luck to get a human to do that with no food.
As for why wait 40 years: The moon is kind of a dead rock. So sending people back just for the sake of it is a real waste of money.

I know it was speculated that the Apollo 11 was fake but very few people argue the same about the other 5 that followed. And if you really want to test the theory build a laser and bounce it off the reflectors they left on the last 3 landings.

My original point was that they HAVENT sent humans to the moon and that it was all staged as it's something that has NEVER happened since it allegedly did in the 60's... How did it happen ONCE and never again?

Try 6 times, with 12 unique individuals.

 

[carstensdj]

The robots will be circling the moon for 3 month's +. Good luck to get a human to do that with no food.
As for why wait 40 years: The moon is kind of a dead rock. So sending people back just for the sake of it is a real waste of money.

I know it was speculated that the Apollo 11 was fake but very few people argue the same about the other 5 that followed. And if you really want to test the theory build a laser and bounce it off the reflectors they left on the last 3 landings.



Try 6 times, with 12 people

Thats a good point, with the time factor, so that answers part of why robots are sent and not humans... Fine.

Still doesn't prove that HUMANS have set foot there. Robots made by humans, YES. Humans, NO.

 

[Messugga]

Why do you believe it? Im not saying that it didnt or saying that you are wrong... i just personally see too many flaws in the story to believe it actually happened, like the fact that we cant do this today, but we could 40years ago... Should we not know A LOT more about the moon if we landed there 40years ago?

It takes people 1WEEK to erect an entire squatter camp with NO money, but more than 40years to put anything substantial on the moon, not to mention the Billions they have in their budgets... Knowing America, if they had actually landed on the moon, they'd have been back a few times! Just my opinion...

Because up until recently there was no point to go to the moon. This has been said many times by various people in positions of power. They're currently working on a moonbase, which is still in a planning phase if I'm not mistaken, from which to launch missions to Mars and such.

I'm not trying to be insulting, but it's fairly evident that you're not a scientist. Many things are operated fly-by-wire, so to speak, due to prohibitively expensive costs. Hell, I'm willing to say that the majority of science these days happen on a level that you as human cannot observe without very sophisticated equipment. Equipment which can also be used at a distance.

It's ridiculously expensive to get something to the moon, or even up in space. There's a reason that they build space craft the sizes they do. The amount of rocket fuel required to get an object into orbit increases exponentially with mass, so keeping things compact is key. These two devices are the size of washing machines and probably way a few hundred kilograms while a human and the supporting infrastructure would weigh many tons. Look at the ISS as an example of what would be required for longterm space travel.
Sending people means you need to get them back as well, increasing the costs quite a lot since you need to cater for two journeys. The initial moon landing was more a show of power than a scientific endeavour and should be seen as such. Soil samples and such were collected for study, but that was only secondary. NASA's budget back then was also quite a bit larger than it is currently, so they could afford missions such as this.

 

[Elimentals]

Thats a good point, with the time factor, so that answers part of why robots are sent and not humans... Fine.

Still doesn't prove that HUMANS have set foot there. Robots made by humans, YES. Humans, NO.

/facepalm

Guess you missed the reflectors and the fact that you can find the landing sites with the locators left behind. I must admit the where dam lucky, well not really with the crap they had on Apollo 17 they decided to cancel Apollo 18

 

[Messugga]

Still doesn't prove that HUMANS have set foot there. Robots made by humans, YES. Humans, NO.

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[porn$tar]

The moon doesn't really exist, it's just a cardboard cut-out launched into space by the Egyptians after they invented papyrus. The pyramids are actually the bases for giant catapults used for the launching. Oh, and the Sphinxes are telescopes.

 

[waynegohl]

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No matter what we say about what went on on the surface of the moon, it would be an awesome time in history when we have our first moonbase there and we started exploring other planets with manned missions.

 

[h0ll0w]

Is it true that there is an alien base on the dark side of the moon ???

 

[carstensdj]

*Cough*readthis*cough*

First time i hear of this! Very interesting!

My comments are based on things i've read on the net questioning the Moon Landings where humans were involved, and as Messugga said, im no scientist, so cant relay the scientific reasons as to why certain factors were "rubbished", but they are out there...

As i also mentioned, i'm not arguing that im right, as i dont know if i am, but there are some very valid points here that beg alot more questions! Thanks for filling me in!