National status for Microsoft qualifications

eish, does this now mean any learner who have been MS cert can just waltz in and get a job? nevermind that the learner can't apply whats been learned.
 
ok so how does one find out how many credits they have? Does this apply to old MS qualifications or only new ones? There is alot left unsaid unfortunately.
 
This is a good thing. Believe it or not a good ol MCSD prepares people a lot for than a Bsc does with respects to programming. It is much more rigorous and thourough. I most of my honours Bsc class walked out of varsity and could not write a program.
 
Does anyone have any idea where we can find out more about this.
I'm googling up a storm, but not much so far.
 
I am going to say "this is good".
While I would prefer Linux courses to qualify, this is certainly better than "Beginners introduction to Typing" or other junk. Not too long ago my boss offered to send me on some courses to use up our "points" and the selection was useless. Now at least I can do one of these M$ courses.
 
I wonder what NQF Level they are classified as. Anyway, I hope this leads to more professional certifications being recognised.
 
I am going to say "this is good".
While I would prefer Linux courses to qualify, this is certainly better than "Beginners introduction to Typing" or other junk. Not too long ago my boss offered to send me on some courses to use up our "points" and the selection was useless. Now at least I can do one of these M$ courses.
 
SlappY said:
This is a good thing. Believe it or not a good ol MCSD prepares people a lot for than a Bsc does with respects to programming. It is much more rigorous and thourough. I most of my honours Bsc class walked out of varsity and could not write a program.
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I'm sorry to rain on your parade: I have a problem with branded courses such as MCSE and MCSD getting this status because it only offers skills in Microsoft products and not general skills. It may be rigorous, but it is part of Microsoft's strategy to get people in the industry to only know and understand their products as the ONLY solution to IT needs and we know that this is not true.

As long as there is a balance and that LSPA qualifications are also recognised, I don't suppose this is that big of a deal....
 
I'm sure I read something about government promoting open source somewhere. One would think that LPI and Red Hat etc. training would be included in this idea.
 
Yea im with Slinky, im currently studying at Torque IT *big whoop!*, doing the long Networking MNE course.

How would guys like us be affected by the NQF levels?

Thanks in advance.
 
AK65 said:
I'm sorry to rain on your parade: I have a problem with branded courses such as MCSE and MCSD getting this status because it only offers skills in Microsoft products and not general skills. It may be rigorous, but it is part of Microsoft's strategy to get people in the industry to only know and understand their products as the ONLY solution to IT needs and we know that this is not true.

As long as there is a balance and that LSPA qualifications are also recognised, I don't suppose this is that big of a deal....
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Hate to rain on your parade, but how are you ever going to teach any form of IT without branding it. The technology is driven by industry, not like professions like accounting, mathematics, etc. Sure you can cover the basics and the theory like varisty does, but it means you wont be able to perform a job when you get out.

Sure varsity can teah you how a router works, but they never show you how to configure one.
The can teach you how to code, but the never show you how to write an application.

In order to learn you need a balance of theory and practice, and although to do the practice part, you need to use some proprietry tech.
 
saffakanera said:
Yea im with Slinky, im currently studying at Torque IT *big whoop!*, doing the long Networking MNE course.

How would guys like us be affected by the NQF levels?

Thanks in advance.
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Some companies, if not most, have a minimum job spec that requires a diploma/degree at certain NQF levels. In the past companies would say, yes you are certified to work with the technology, however you do not meet the minimum tertiary qualifications requirements.

If proffesional certs now have their own NQF level that is recognised, you have a better chance of getting those jobs, IMO.
 
With regard to getting a job in a "Microsoft" arena at most IT companies require that one has a MCSE because the companies want to gain credit and their status with Microsoft (partner, gold etc) and now they would be scoring a double wammy by being able to claim back the Skills Development levy so realistically it closes the holes even more for uncertified people which might not necessaily be a good thing (there are some good non-ms certified engineers!) - it needs to be broader i.e. there is a lot more to Technical support than just Microsoft desktops and servers.

I do not know how many people have seen the prices of m/s courses and exams and how many people cant afford them in a personal capacity - lets hope that this encourages companies to sponser their IT support engineers to take these courses. There is a desperate need for less desktop jockeys and more certified people at a higher level.

I would like to hope that this is just a stepping stone and that other certs get included so that s.a. doesnt become a m/s only shop - there are lots of other good (and better!) solutions than just a m/s one.
 
SlappY said:
This is a good thing. Believe it or not a good ol MCSD prepares people a lot for than a Bsc does with respects to programming. It is much more rigorous and thourough. I most of my honours Bsc class walked out of varsity and could not write a program.
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or even write a proper english sentence :D.
 
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