I studied agriculture as well as read up a lot about different eco-systems and how nature works. I managed a game reserve for over 15 years of my life, and have first hand experience of how nature reacts.
By this, you claim that you KNOW how things are going to work out.
Ok, then you go on to say:
I've seen first-hand the effects that over-utilization (over-grazing) of land and bush clearing affected rainfall patterns, I don't need the scientists to tell me that the global weather systems are being affected by human kind's irresponsible actions over the decades.
I actually agree with you on this with the exeption of global weather systems. They are not being affected. Local patterns to a small degree, especially rainfall, I would agree with, but not global.
Also it is my opinion that it has much more to do with industrial and mining pollution, and de-forestation/over-utilization than simple automobile exhaust emissions, or cows farting too much.
Nothing wrong with that.
Do you think all of the above are natural events and that they are not negatively affecting global weather or nature as a whole?
If thats the case then I have nothing further to discuss with you, because you are clearly deluded.
Nope. I can't say for sure because I don't claim to know how this works 100%. What I do know is that Global Warming is a myth and that carbon restrictions ARE causing economic calamities
Well prediction that higher pollution levels would cause a hole in the ozone layer and global temperatures would be on the rise is becoming real isn't it? The prediction that polar caps will melt is happening. The world's weather is changing, you cannot dispute that fact.
Ok. You are such an expert yet you don't know that the antarctic ice caps are growing? And that the arctic SUMMER melt is well within normal ranges, in fact it was much less this year than last.
As for global temperatures on the rise, have you seen the latest figures? WE ARE COOLING!!! Yes, this year is one of the coldest on record. In fact, in South Africa, we broke some lowest maximum records. If you want more on that, check out weathersa where they have an article on it (do a google search). This year IS COLD!!! But no worries, just a temporary setback. By 2020, things will be back to warmening and boom, WE ARE ALL DOOMED!!! (just deposit a few million in the research account please so we can continue to "research" the problem)
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Yeah, of course it is .. we are evil, sons of Satan who must be removed from the planet - Right?
I never said that, stop putting words in my mouth. On the other hand, if you believe it then be my guest, just leave me out of your hissy fits.
You don't have to say it, your choice of words and tone imply it. All you enviros believe that humans are ultimate evil and to save the planet (some even claim humanity) we must wipe it out a huge portion of them. Never met a greenie that did not eventually admit it. See end of post.
BandwidthAddict said:
We have such control over our weather, we understand it 100% that we can predict it for years to come. We are the bestest!!!!
Again where did I say that? If we had control over our weather we wouldn't be in this situation.
By believing in the global warming scare (and not reading the thermometer) you are saying that the models which puport to accurately predict global warming are, well, accurate. In order to model accurately, and then predict so far into the future, we would have to understand climate and weather mechanisms 100% otherwise, the models are bunk. And, as it is, these are. Because a very good test of models is to apply them to data sets where we know the result, IE past data. In the case of these models, every time they have been applied to past data, they disagree with what actually happened. In other words, the models can't even predict the past, so how are they going to predict the future?
I will tell you some things I know for a fact that climatologists do not 100% understand yet:
1. Effect of water vapor
2. Effect of volcanoes
3. Effect of sunspot activity
Yes greed = industries spewing millions of tons of harmful substances into the air. Have you ever been to China for instance? Do you want to tell me that all that pollution is good to the environment as a whole? Have you been to Nigeria? Have you been in and around Sasolburg/Vanderbijlpark or Soweto during winter?
I think that if you can't see what is around you, you either have your head stuck in the sand (or elsewhere
) or your blinkers are just way too thick for your own good.
Pollution is bad, no doubt. I would prefer it to be done away with. I don't disagree with you at all.
Over population and greed are the main cuplrits of world wide de-forestation. I grew up going to pristine wildlife conservancies, while driving through hundreds or thousands of kilometres of pristine bushveld. All that there is today is human settlements, smoke, tires burning, trees being chopped for firewood, poverty, and all the wildlife has been eaten. You want to tell me this is natural? Forests being chopped down at alarming rates to fill the pockets of rich businessmen that sit in their offices half way around the world contemplating destruction for personal needs? You don't even have to go as far as the Amazon to see this, it's closer to home than you think (try Mozambique.)
Since the only places in the world that are overpopulated exist in the Third World, I agree with you on this one as well. Third world morons are useless pieces of excrement. We should pull out all our medicines and good stuff so they can rot and either pull their fingers our their asses or die. Either way, world will be better off. Of course, some third world countries are trying to develop, like India, and China but, you know, they should just skip to Star Trek non-polluting technology and be done with it. Those vile beasts, so inconsiderate. I would prefer, though, that they cut out the baby making, 1 billion+ per country is a bit much.
If you want to see entire aquatic systems being wiped out by pollution, try taking a drive to the North West Province. Then thanks the mines for taking shortcuts to increase profits by dumping tons of toxic waste in open air dumps.
Once again, I agree with you, these guys should be put up against a wall and shot.
Kindly show me where I called for the humanity to be exterminated? They are doing a damn good job of getting there as soon as possible through their own actions.
You don't need to call for humanity's extermination, you just want the human footprint to be at a level that pretty much requires human extermination (well, at least to pre-agricultural level). That is the only way that mankind will have NO impact on the environment.
) Now that the world is cooling again, here come the hurricanes. Funny thing, this is not new knowlege, but THEY were hoping people like me would not find out about it. Pre-internet, they would have been right. Timez have changed LOL.
