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Nigerian411 scams are not the same thing as sales on Ebay. On Ebay one looks at how long the seller has been around for and how good his/her rating is. Language is pretty irrelevant, unless it's something obvious such as someone offering English tuition yet not being able to use proper grammar. And I've seen pretty bad listings myself from people with Anglo-Saxon names which are revealed when paying with PayPal. But I do find that more often than not, Ebay sellers are not your typical middle class, good grammar Americans.
One could also see what sticking an eBay alias into google reveals outside of eBay, or perhaps have a look at what other items are being listed by the seller, in order to form as complete a picture as possible before committing to a transaction. One might even be more inclined to do so if one notices poor use of English on a listing for something only legitimately available on US soil. Looking only at the seller's rating, in my case, did me a fat load of good: eBay member since 2000, with not a single poor rating mentioned. That sure as **** changed in the last two weeks.

24.5mil of those over the age of 5, self identify as poor English speakers which means you're likely to find poor English grammar on Ebay. (Note that self identify probably means this figure is lower than actual as people will likely not underestimate their skills). Then even native English speakers in the US often write English quite poorly. Check out the comments on a site like http://www.worldstarhiphop.com for one. Also 55mil speak other languages too and no doubt will make similar mistakes to this poster. Finally this seems like a product for an external non-US audience, and I've found many of these products are sold by foreign or non-natively born Americans. BuyFromPowerSeller for example, where many of us buy our iTunes vouchers is run by a Vietnamese gentleman.
Good for you; none of this does anything to detract from the fact that such language use warrants closer investigation, especially taking into account that I can find no legitimate means of acquiring such vouchers through any channel but Netflix themselves, or at a price which would allow their profitable sale at the prices advertised. Now, are you going to contribute something useful, or are you going to continue berating a non-native English speaker for the prejudices you imagine him to hold against non-native English speakers? Clown.


What I come across to you, is irrelevant.
It is topically relevant. Just as the information presented on eBay paints a picture of a prospective seller, so your posts paint a picture of you.

It does not detract from you judging someone by the use of their grammar which is unwarranted.
No, I judged someone for attempting to defraud me of more than R400, and I noted that certain details of his listing might warrant having been more careful.

Generalising against people who are non native English speakers is far worse, than being pompous or self righteous,
Good thing I didn't do that, then.

which you could be accused of being right now too.
It'd be a pretty worthless accusation if it were to come from you.

Most civilised and educated people would agree that one should not stereotype.
So what's your excuse for stereotyping me as some native English speaker carrying prejudices against those who aren't? Not being civilised, or not being educated?

Pleasure.
 
One could also see what sticking an eBay alias into google reveals outside of eBay, or perhaps have a look at what other items are being listed by the seller, in order to form as complete a picture as possible before committing to a transaction. One might even be more inclined to do so if one notices poor use of English on a listing for something only legitimately available on US soil. Looking only at the seller's rating, in my case, did me a fat load of good: eBay member since 2000, with not a single poor rating mentioned. That sure as **** changed in the last two weeks.

No verification scheme is 100% foolproof, but this one is better than racial and linguistic profiling.


Good for you; none of this does anything to detract from the fact that such language use warrants closer investigation, especially taking into account that I can find no legitimate means of acquiring such vouchers through any channel but Netflix themselves, or at a price which would allow their profitable sale at the prices advertised. Now, are you going to contribute something useful, or are you going to continue berating a non-native English speaker for the prejudices you imagine him to hold against non-native English speakers? Clown.

I have. I already showed you that many people don't speak proper English in USA. Ebay is an international site and so anyone from anywhere can sell there and perfect grammar is therefore not an indicator of honesty. And outside of an example I gave you, I don't think there could be situations it could indicate dishonesty. That you brought in 411 into it shows an example of an imported bias / prejudice into the story. That some group of people post 411 scams, does not mean that everyone with imperfect English does the same. You're insulting the vast majority of people on earth here.

It is topically relevant. Just as the information presented on eBay paints a picture of a prospective seller, so your posts paint a picture of you.

Ad hominem fallacy.


No, I judged someone for attempting to defraud me of more than R400, and I noted that certain details of his listing might warrant having been more careful.

And I explained to you that that's prejudicial. Grammar use is not a valid reason to judge a listing as fraudulent. Prove me wrong by pointing to a scientific study which correlates non-native English use with fraud.


Good thing I didn't do that, then.

You did.


It'd be a pretty worthless accusation if it were to come from you.

It's the truth. Instead of being sensible and acknowledging that you stereotyped someone based on their English use on an international site, you persist at it.

So what's your excuse for stereotyping me as some native English speaker carrying prejudices against those who aren't? Not being civilised, or not being educated?

None of these. Saying that most people don't do that for good reason.
 
No verification scheme is 100% foolproof, but this one is better than racial and linguistic profiling.

Which is why reliance on any single metric is short-sighted, and being cognisant of additional factors such as language use has value.

I have. I already showed you that many people don't speak proper English in USA. Ebay is an international site and so anyone from anywhere can sell there and perfect grammar is therefore not an indicator of honesty. And outside of an example I gave you, I don't think there could be situations it could indicate dishonesty. That you brought in 411 into it shows an example of an imported bias / prejudice into the story. That some group of people post 411 scams, does not mean that everyone with imperfect English does the same. You're insulting the vast majority of people on earth here.
I am doing no such thing. Just as most people who blow themselves up in misguided acts of terrorism would be Muslim, so most incidents of attempted fraud against English speakers on the internet would show a poor command of the language. Drawing from this recognition the inference that I believe all Muslims to be potential time-bombs or all non-native English speakers to be fraudsters is disingenuous and dimwitted. Similarly, pontificating that neither characteristic warrants additional care is nothing but a ridiculous appeal to political correctness.

Ad hominem fallacy.
Observed truth can't be a fallacy.

And I explained to you that that's prejudicial. Grammar use is not a valid reason to judge a listing as fraudulent.

No, having Netflix cancel my membership and subsequently having to approach eBay in order to reverse the transaction, and seeing a number of others mirroring my experience is a valid reason to judge a listing as potentially fraudulent.

Prove me wrong by pointing to a scientific study which correlates non-native English use with fraud.
Why the **** would I want to go on some ramble attempting to prove a claim I'm not making? :wtf:

Didn't.

It's the truth. Instead of being sensible and acknowledging that you stereotyped someone based on their English use on an international site, you persist at it.
I am defending myself against a false accusation; I will do so until you either cease your bull****, or acknowledge your error.

None of these. Saying that most people don't do that for good reason.
So you have no excuse for stereotyping me. Thought not. Will you now kindly cease doing so?
 
Which is why reliance on any single metric is short-sighted, and being cognisant of additional factors such as language use has value.

It's not of value unless you suggest that someone who is non-native English speaker is more likely to be a criminal. Are you suggesting that? If YES, please prove it. If not, you know why you're wrong.


I am doing no such thing. Just as most people who blow themselves up in misguided acts of terrorism would be Muslim, so most incidents of attempted fraud against English speakers on the internet would show a poor command of the language. Drawing from this recognition the inference that I believe all Muslims to be potential time-bombs or all non-native English speakers to be fraudsters is disingenuous and dimwitted. Similarly, pontificating that neither characteristic warrants additional care is nothing but a ridiculous appeal to political correctness.

False. There is no indication that crooks on EBay are more likely to be non-English speakers. And from my own experience, I've been defrauded more by native English speakers than non-native ones. The only non-native one was in fact SPANISH, and she did not hide that fact. Product was also manufactured in Spain.

There are very few non-Muslim suicide bombers currently (if any), but there are many criminals who possess good English skills. US, CA, AUS, NZ and other prisons are full of native English speakers. So you can't use English skills as a metric of reliability of a listing. In fact I once used it and because the guy appeared to be a rock solid Anglo-Saxon dude I gave him the benefit of the doubt and so lost several hundred dollars in the process while I waited for him to ship an item, he waited long enough for the PayPal buyer protection to expire.


Observed truth can't be a fallacy.

Your opinion of me does not detract from my point. That's the fallacy. That I may appear pompous, arrogant, etc to you is entirely irrelevant. I may in fact be pompous, arrogant and pig headed. But that's irrelevant to my point. My aim is also to point out a perceived injustice. And millions of native English speakers would agree with me here, at least the ones who are on the receiving end of pre-judgements based on their linguistic abilities. But my aim is irrelevant, even if I do this for LOLs, it's still does not detract from my point.



No, having Netflix cancel my membership and subsequently having to approach eBay in order to reverse the transaction, and seeing a number of others mirroring my experience is a valid reason to judge a listing as potentially fraudulent.

That's OK. But saying that his imperfect English should have been a warning sign is wrong.


Why the **** would I want to go on some ramble attempting to prove a claim I'm not making? :wtf:

Then reject the language claim and say it's not a valid indicator of fraud.


Didn't.


I am defending myself against a false accusation; I will do so until you either cease your bull****, or acknowledge your error.

OK, do you think invalid use of English grammar on an international site is a valid reason to consider the listing to be fraudulent?
If yes, on what grounds?


So you have no excuse for stereotyping me. Thought not. Will you now kindly cease doing so?

To stereotype you I'd have to accuse you of something based on some characteristic you share with some group I though were more likely to be doing something wrong. I'm just judging what you posted here. I'm not saying you're wrong because you post on MyBB, or you have a handle you have or you buy Netflix vouchers when you know they're only for US residents and you're unlikely to be a US resident posting on MyBB at this time. I also disobey regional copyright restrictions by buying US Itunes vouchers. I'm not stereotyping you at all for those or any other reasons.

Anyhow I don't want to derail this thread anymore. If you want we can continue in a different thread at some stage. Thanks.
 
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It's not of value unless you suggest that someone who is non-native English speaker is more likely to be a criminal. Are you suggesting that? If YES, please prove it. If not, you know why you're wrong.
No, I am suggesting that people who attempt to defraud predominantly English-speaking folk on a large scale, such as with questionable eBay listings, or 419 emails, or via call centres targeting older folk and telling them they need to 'go to this link in order to disinfect [their] computer' tend not to be native English speakers. It is the way of the world; the most populous countries with predominantly English-speaking populations aren't conducive to such conduct. It's basic, non-PC, statistical awareness.

False. There is no indication that crooks on EBay are more likely to be non-English speakers. And from my own experience, I've been defrauded more by native English speakers than non-native ones. The only non-native one was in fact SPANISH, and she did not hide that fact. Product was also manufactured in Spain.
As per above, it is a logical assumption. Your own experience counts for naught.

There are very few non-Muslim suicide bombers currently (if any), but there are many criminals who possess good English skills. US, CA, AUS, NZ and other prisons are full of native English speakers. So you can't use English skills as a metric of reliability of a listing. In fact I once used it and because the guy appeared to be a rock solid Anglo-Saxon dude I gave him the benefit of the doubt and so lost several hundred dollars in the process while I waited for him to ship an item, he waited long enough for the PayPal buyer protection to expire.
I most certainly can use it as a complementary metric, and I shall continue to do so. The one time I didn't I nearly lost several hundred Rands.

Your opinion of me does not detract from my point. That's the fallacy. That I may appear pompous, arrogant, etc to you is entirely irrelevant. I may in fact be pompous, arrogant and pig headed. But that's irrelevant to my point. My aim is also to point out a perceived injustice. And millions of native English speakers would agree with me here, at least the ones who are on the receiving end of pre-judgements based on their linguistic abilities. But my aim is irrelevant, even if I do this for LOLs, it's still does not detract from my point.
I'm not sure why you're under the impression that you've made a point...?

That's OK. But saying that his imperfect English should have been a warning sign is wrong.
All things considered, not paying attention to it was wrong.

Then reject the language claim and say it's not a valid indicator of fraud.
It should be considered along with all other details one can practically establish in order to judge the risk in a given transaction. It's a role-playing factor given all other details.

OK, do you think invalid use of English grammar on an international site is a valid reason to consider the listing to be fraudulent?
If yes, on what grounds?
I consider it a contributory reason to being cautious. I think I've explained myself sufficiently in this regard.

To stereotype you I'd have to accuse you of something based on some characteristic you share with some group I though were more likely to be doing something wrong. I'm just judging what you posted here. I'm not saying you're wrong because you post on MyBB, or you have a handle you have or you buy Netflix vouchers when you know they're only for US residents and you're unlikely to be a US resident posting on MyBB at this time. I also disobey regional copyright restrictions by buying US Itunes vouchers. I'm not stereotyping you at all for those or any other reasons.
So, you didn't stereotype me as some Englishman who regards every person of a different lineage as either shady or inferior, or both? OK then... guess I'll just have to take that on face value, just as you'll have to accept on face value that I judged nobody based purely on their lacking flair for English. Or we can continue this little dance...

Anyhow I don't want to delay this thread anymore. If you want we can continue in a different thread at some stage. Thanks.
You made the accusation, which you've failed to back up, so let's continue it. Here.
 
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Does it work?
My trial ends on Thursday. I pray mine works.

It works perfectly. My trial ended two weeks ago and am currently still using Netflix daily. When I log into my account it shows this month subscription was taken off my 1 year voucher and that I have $87 (more or less) remaining.
 
Which ebay seller did you buy from?

This is who I bought it from - I see at the moment he does not have any stock but he gets quite often, but at the same time he sells out quite quickly. You can see by his ratings and comments, alot of people have bought the voucher from him and are really pleased, myself included.
 

The accounts are the worst. you have to log in with random details, as the accounts have been created already and have access for 12 months which is a little k@k in my opinion. Rather spend a little more and get a gift voucher which you can use with your OWN personal account. That way, no one can cancel it or also have access to it ect.
 
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