Network setup [Active Directory, Group Policy, E-mail] Training

[Thor]

I'm klapping the VPS side of things lekker, but this is the other area I want to explore I am not sure what you call the people that setup these sort of things, but I want to learn it.

Windows Server costs a fortune and business in South Africa is tight, so I assume most companies would prefer to at the very most only have windows on the client computers, but have the server be some flavor of linux.

I want to know where to learn the bigger picture of how an office network works from a Unix point of view ie:

Active directory and Group Policy what do I use I assume some form of LDAP and then mail Postfix+Dovecot and NFS for network drives etc.

However I want to learn how to build this and how it all connects together.

tl;dr

Please give me links (up to date) to learn how to setup and manage office networks.

Edit: NOT interested in MS ecosystem, I have it already.

 

[ubercal]

I'm klapping the VPS side of things lekker, but this is the other area I want to explore I am not sure what you call the people that setup these sort of things, but I want to learn it.

Windows Server costs a fortune and business in South Africa is tight, so I assume most companies would prefer to at the very most only have windows on the client computers, but have the server be some flavor of linux.

I want to know where to learn the bigger picture of how an office network works ie:

Active directory and Group Policy what do I use I assume some form of LDAP and then mail Postfix+Dovecot and NFS for network drives etc.

However I want to learn how to build this and how it all connects together.

tl;dr

Please give me links (up to date) to learn how to setup and manage office networks.

Um no , Windows networks are in the majority when it comes to company lans.Main reason is the power of Active Directory , GPO , microsoft exchange , outlook etc ...Compatiblity is king.Linux plays well in the cloud , web servers , smtp servers.

 

[ubercal]

Take the MCSE course , or whatever they call it now .. do the proper microsoft certification and you will be hundreds ...

 

[Thor]

Um no , Windows networks are in the majority when it comes to company lans.Main reason is the power of Active Directory , GPO , microsoft exchange , outlook etc ...Compatiblity is king.Linux plays well in the cloud , web servers , smtp servers.

Samba is what I am interested in I know windows server I have the MCSE etc courses.

I want to learn the Linux way

 

[Thor]

Take the MCSE course , or whatever they call it now .. do the proper microsoft certification and you will be hundreds ...

No I won't. I have it.

Microsoft is k@k

 

[shadow_man]

Um no , Windows networks are in the majority when it comes to company lans.Main reason is the power of Active Directory , GPO , microsoft exchange , outlook etc ...Compatiblity is king.Linux plays well in the cloud , web servers , smtp servers.

This. Even a lot of the open source houses run Windows AD / server for the corporate groupware type things. Linux simply doesn't compete well on this front.

Linux plays well as a webserver, load balancer, db host, email server, storage etc. It doesn't do the corporate bits well, so why try and force a square in to a round hole.

 

[Thor]

I'll wait for you microsoft Fanboy's to go to bed and the Linux powerhouses decides to show face

 

[Rocket-Boy]

No I won't. I have it.

Microsoft is k@k

As a mostly linux based software dev house we using windows server for network shares/AD/GPO.
Mailserver is still linux though.
I dont understand what you are asking though, if you have an MCSE then you should know all you need to know already.

 

[Genisys]

Time is money. The amount of time one will spend setting this up to a point where you get it to work perfectly is going to cost a company so much, they will just prefer to get Windows Server and getting it done with. Then there is maintance of the Linux components. And let's not get into the issue of what will happen if and when the server crashes (You still need staff to keep it going, and to make sure there are plans in place to get it up and running as quickly as possible).

Samba is ultimately the answer for AD for Linux. This is also the way you are going to go for network shares. Emails isn't that easy. Rather just use Google Apps or Office 365 for email. There are a lot of aspects to consider when it comes to emails.

 

[Thor]

As a mostly linux based software dev house we using windows server for network shares/AD/GPO.
Mailserver is still linux though.
I dont understand what you are asking though, if you have an MCSE then you should know all you need to know already.

From a Microsoft approach yes, I can setup a setup in my sleep.

HOWEVER replacing the Microsoft backbone with Unix and run this via say Samba and LDAP/NIS I am lost and this is what I want to learn.

 

[shadow_man]

I'll wait for you microsoft Fanboy's to go to bed and the Linux powerhouses decides to show face

I don't hold a single MS cert but I do have LPIC, RH and SLES certs.

Linux is simply not mature or good enough to take the AD / Group policy / groupware type market from Microsoft.

You can bitch and moan about that as much as you want, but I work with these things on scale and its the truth.

 

[shadow_man]

Time is money. The amount of time one will spend setting this up to a point where you get it to work perfectly is going to cost a company so much, they will just prefer to get Windows Server and getting it done with. Then there is maintance of the Linux components. And let's not get into the issue of what will happen if and when the server crashes (You still need staff to keep it going, and to make sure there are plans in place to get it up and running as quickly as possible).

This, let the deluded fool suffer. He's asking for advice, but won't take it from those who have been there, done that and got the tshirt. Some people need to learn the hard way.

 

[Thor]

Sjoe Sjoe Sjoe, compliments galore ey

 

[Thor]

This, let the deluded fool suffer. He's asking for advice, but won't take it from those who have been there, done that and got the tshirt. Some people need to learn the hard way.

Actually FU.

You are against using Samba/LDAP/etc that's cool your opinion is noted. Move along.

I did not come here for a silly MS AD vs Unix Alternative who's cock is bigger.

I came here because I am proficient and experienced in the Microsoft Ecosystem and have worked on and build/designed/architected MS based setups that will make your eyes pop, so I am very aware about the strengths and weaknesses of the MS ecosystem and that it is the primary option for SME's and up. However that is not what I asked for in my OP is it?

I want to upskill myself to be capable and familiar enough with the Unix ways of doing stuff in order to help out smaller clients as well.

Good day sir, I said good day!

 

[shadow_man]

Sjoe Sjoe Sjoe, compliments galore ey

This is exactly why you rub people the wrong way. You clearly want to learn and thats admirable. Yet you then you turn around and spit in people's faces when they do help you. You're not going to make a good name for yourself doing that, so quit doing so, whilst you're ahead.

You've had some good replies in this thread, but as they don't suit your agenda you've completely discarded them in the most arrogant way possible. Most of us replying have done this type of work in our professional capacity and still do. Some of us have done it on a very large scale, yet you refuse to listen.

It's annoying at best and arrogant as all hell.

 

[Thor]

This is exactly why you rub people the wrong way. You clearly want to learn and thats admirable. Yet you then you turn around and spit in people's faces when they do help you. You're not going to make a good name for yourself doing that, so quit doing so, whilst you're ahead.

You've had some good replies in this thread, but as they don't suit your agenda you've completely discarded them in the most arrogant way possible. Most of us replying have done this type of work in our professional capacity and still do. Some of us have done it on a very large scale, yet you refuse to listen.

It's annoying at best and arrogant as all hell.

No. I did not have any replies in this thread.

I had opinions in this thread, opinions about fck Linux go Microsoft.

I'm not interested in it. Why?, because it's not what I asked in my OP.

Microsoft should not be mentioned in this thread. It's out if scope.

(I am a Microsoft guy, I know it, I breath it I live it. I know it's the best. I know what's capable of, So leave it be since it's irrelevant and add something useful to the OP)

 

[shadow_man]

No. I did not have any replies in this thread.

I had opinions in this thread, opinions about fck Linux go Microsoft.

I'm not interested in it. Why?, because it's not what I asked in my OP.

Microsoft should not be mentioned in this thread. It's out if scope.

(I am a Microsoft guy, I know it, I breath it I live it. I know it's the best. I know what's capable of, So leave it be since it's irrelevant and add something useful to the OP)

Dude - its painful to try and do any form of groupware / mass user collaboration on Linux. You wouldn't do it, end of. You pick the best tool for the job and go with that. In this case thats MS. I'm a Linux guy by trade. I work with big scale ISP systems, its not like i'm making this up for fun. I hate MS. I detest them, but the point is Linux can't match them in that corporate space.

You'll run in to bugs and endless issues. It's simply not mature enough in that regard and won't be cost effective for the business and it won't work easily. Go ahead and try, but it really isn't worth the effort.

 

[Thor]

Dude - its painful to try and do any form of groupware / mass user collaboration on Linux. You wouldn't do it, end of. You pick the best tool for the job and go with that. In this case thats MS. I'm a Linux guy by trade. I work with big scale ISP systems, its not like i'm making this up for fun. I hate MS. I detest them, but the point is Linux can't match them in that corporate space.

You'll run in to bugs and endless issues. It's simply not mature enough in that regard and won't be cost effective for the business and it won't work easily. Go ahead and try, but it really isn't worth the effort.

Okey, fck Linux, fck samba.

Do you get Cracked MS servers?

I'm kidding!! Don't ban me. I'll use my license.

Dammit, wish Microsoft would bring out a little lower tier setup (price) since it seems all these systems was originally developed for banks and since that's where the money is they slaped a few extra digits to the price for giggles.

 

[DA-LION-619]

So let me try to understand this.
OP wants to learn something that nobody ever actually uses which means it has no benefit whatsoever, guys who have the experience try to explain this but it goes over his head.

Sounds like Thor

 

[Thor]

So let me try to understand this.
OP wants to learn something that nobody ever actually uses which means it has no benefit whatsoever, guys who have the experience try to explain this but it goes over his head.

Sounds like Thor

No one uses?

Maybe in SA since the real brains where smart enough to leave this country.

To my understanding and reading, Linux is quite fcking massive and In Demand just very little people really knows how to use it effectively others just chose to spend their time better by using the MS ecosystem instead and rightfully so that's what I did.