New 911 Documentary: September Clues

BeVonk!

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. So in fact you have little true interest in the [political] world around you?
According to you then if/when a person doesn't vote he/she is a political ignoramus with no true interest in the [political] world around him/her. Amazing insight kilo39. Have the though ever crossed your [small] mind that that a true [realistic] interest in the [political] world around me can be the cause? Maybe I know enough not to bother (considering we have a one-man-one-vote system where a poorly educated majority vote for one party no matter what). Maybe I've seen through politicians early enough in my life to know that they really care little for me or anyone else. Just maybe I've been inside "the system" - having seen enough to convince me voting is waste of time. Ever made peace with floor crossings kilo39? But according to your argument only those that vote (the majority) knows and have a true interest. Skeptics like me (the minority) are ignorant fools. You are here turning against your own arguments/beliefs kilo39.
 

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According to you then if/when a person doesn't vote he/she is a political ignoramus with no true interest in the [political] world around him/her. Amazing insight kilo39. Have the though ever crossed your [small] mind that that a true [realistic] interest in the [political] world around me can be the cause? Maybe I know enough not to bother (considering we have a one-man-one-vote system where a poorly educated majority vote for one party no matter what). Maybe I've seen through politicians early enough in my life to know that they really care little for me or anyone else. Just maybe I've been inside "the system" - having seen enough to convince me voting is waste of time. Ever made peace with floor crossings kilo39? But according to your argument only those that vote (the majority) knows and have a true interest. Skeptics like me (the minority) are ignorant fools. You are here turning against your own arguments/beliefs kilo39.
Long diatribe to 'justify' non-voting. Yes the massive majority 'cause peeps like you don't vote (believe you are 'above' voting; then decry the vast majority, and any notion of democracy.)

Why curse me the floor crossing legislation and how does that affect the basic notion of voting? So we should all bow down and accept whatever reality is imposed on our world? Nah we can still scream and bitch and complain (and vote) about our world: yes, I believe it does make a difference.
 

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excellent video LG. even some of the other videos posted in this same thread are awesome when you start considering the different perspective.

as for the idiots who try to argue with the stupidest rebuttals as can only be expected only one country has benefited from the attacks:

AMERICA.

How many of you gave a **** about Iran, Iraq or any other country outside your house before 9/11?

you have easily been sucked into the propaganda machine.

anyways... enjoy the dim. ;)
 

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Gr8time

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Don't you mean "Islamists" Gr8time?
There you go again using 'that word'.


'US planes hunting Islamists'

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_2128782,00.html

12/06/2007 20:35 - (SA)

Andrew Cawthorne

Bosasso - US aircraft are hunting foreign jihadists in the remote mountains of northern Somalia where US forces launched air strikes earlier this month, a regional official said on Tuesday.

Ibrahim Artan Ismail, security minister in the regional Puntland government, said his administration was working closely with the US military to help target the fighters.

"We are aware US planes are searching for the suspected Islamists," Ismail told a news conference in Bosasso.

"As you know, the suspected Islamists fighters are still on the run. Puntland is working closely with the Americans to seize them."

He gave no other details, but residents said suspected US aircraft were often seen in the skies over Puntland these days.

Earlier this month, another Puntland government official said six foreign Islamist fighters, including an American and a Briton, had been killed in gun battles with local forces and US air strikes that rocked the area on June 1.

US 'launched airstrikes'

US officials declined to comment on a CNN report that the air strikes were targeting a suspect in the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, which killed 240 people.

The United States also launched air strikes in southern Somalia in January aimed at three top al-Qaeda suspects but killed the suspects' allies instead, US officials have said.

The suspects were believed to be in a group of Islamists who fled the capital Mogadishu in January after being routed by the Somali interim government and its Ethiopian military allies.

Washington says six al-Qaeda operatives or associates are in Somalia, including alleged embassy bomber Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, and Abu Talha al-Sudani, accused of orchestrating the 2002 bombing of an Israeli-owned hotel in Kenya that killed 15.

Others include Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, hardline leader of the ousted Somali Islamic Courts Council, and Adan Hashi Ayro, head of SICC's feared military wing, the Shabaab.

SICC remnants have been blamed for a wave of guerrilla attacks mostly targeting Ethiopian troops in the capital.

'There is no chance'

Diplomats tracking Somalia said on Tuesday they saw no chance of the government being able to stage a national reconciliation conference slated to start in Mogadishu on Thursday, because of insecurity and lack of preparation.

"There is no chance," one Nairobi-based Western diplomat said, predicting a formal announcement on Wednesday that the conference was being postponed for a second time.

"I have spoken to some of them (in the government) and they all say it won't happen. They have not even set an agenda or picked the delegates. They will announce a delay tomorrow and blame lack of donor funding."

A previous attempt to stage the conference - seen by the international community as a crucial prerequisite to any attempt at achieving lasting peace in Somalia - was postponed in April.

In public, at least, the Somali government said the event would be going ahead.
 

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as for the idiots who try to argue with the stupidest rebuttals as can only be expected only one country has benefited from the attacks:

AMERICA.
Yeah, because the loss of hundreds of billions of dollars, personal freedom, and thousands of lives is a good thing for America.
 

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Maybe I'll get around to sifting through all the nonsense in this thread too, but for now I'd rather just point out a few simple facts :

Any cunning leader of an army would claim responsibility for an event if everyone already thought he was responsible for it. Bin Laden, even if he was not involved in the WTC attacks would surely see the benefit in claiming that he was responsible. The question really is : Why did Osama originally deny responsibility when in EVERY other case he has immediately CLAIMED responsibility for his atrocities?

Furthermore the debate about HOW the towers were destroyed is also rather moot. It happened. What is important to look at is what the aftermath was, what evidence the public was given, whether that evidence was reasonable and compelling, and whether or not the reaction of America as a state was reasonable.

Arguably, the strange security issues leading up to the event is less moot, as it does point to complicity among the US political leadership. That, at least, is easier than proving that the whole WTC destruction was a set-up. But even easier than that is ridiculing events such as the FBI picking up the passport from one of the hijackers some blocks away completely unharmed, and the fact that the BBC reports that many of the purported hijackers are still alive.
 

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Maybe I'll get around to sifting through all the nonsense in this thread too, but for now I'd rather just point out a few simple facts :

Any cunning leader of an army would claim responsibility for an event if everyone already thought he was responsible for it. Bin Laden, even if he was not involved in the WTC attacks would surely see the benefit in claiming that he was responsible. The question really is : Why did Osama originally deny responsibility when in EVERY other case he has immediately CLAIMED responsibility for his atrocities?

Furthermore the debate about HOW the towers were destroyed is also rather moot. It happened. What is important to look at is what the aftermath was, what evidence the public was given, whether that evidence was reasonable and compelling, and whether or not the reaction of America as a state was reasonable.

Arguably, the strange security issues leading up to the event is less moot, as it does point to complicity among the US political leadership. That, at least, is easier than proving that the whole WTC destruction was a set-up. But even easier than that is ridiculing events such as the FBI picking up the passport from one of the hijackers some blocks away completely unharmed, and the fact that the BBC reports that many of the purported hijackers are still alive.
Yip he admitted blowing up the embassy in Kenya but doesnt admit to 911??:rolleyes: wierd...
 

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Maybe I'll get around to sifting through all the nonsense in this thread too, but for now I'd rather just point out a few simple facts
And there you go adding your nonsense to the pile !

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http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Terroris.../dp/0884198847


We cannot have civilized peace talks with Islamic-based terrorists because their belief system encourages deception. And until the civilized world reads this book, that will always just sound like another political talking point.
 

Xarog

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Not really. You're jumping to conclusions that muslims had anything to do with the WTC attacks.

Until the link is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, you're just warmongering and advocating mass murder.
 

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I think Bush was bored in office, needed a reason to finish daddys work, planned this thing, something huge make the world go awe poor americans oooooooohh then started his mission in the name of terror, got the caspian basin, took Iraqs oil, killed Sadam just for fun and then the main thing make Iraq homeground to defend Israel.
 

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I think Bush was bored in office, needed a reason to finish daddys work, planned this thing, something huge make the world go awe poor americans oooooooohh then started his mission in the name of terror, got the caspian basin, took Iraqs oil, killed Sadam just for fun and then the main thing make Iraq homeground to defend Israel.

We cannot have civilized peace talks with Islamic-based terrorists because their belief system encourages deception. And until the civilized world reads this book, that will always just sound like another political talking point.

http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Terroris.../dp/0884198847
 

Gr8time

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What a book? Summarise it for me?
Bushs plan backfired, the world knows who the biggest terrorist is, it the US under bushs reign!!
His own people hate him!! People are learning and embracing Islam.

It good I guess regardless of initial intentions.
Yes it is good - get it and read, then you can summarise it yourself.

Bear in mind that the islamic terror plague existing long before Bush came on the scene.
 

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Saw on History channel the other night that Clinton wanted to attack Al Q long before Bush but he was advised to hold on those plans due to elections.
 
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