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Lupus said:
You have a 2400G which is one of the models that has onboard graphics, as per my first message.
Any Ryzen ending on a G is an APU with built in Graphics, no G no graphics and the 3600 doesn't have one.
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You correct it is a 2400G
 
Caldo said:
Maybe I don't get it...

I current have a Ryzen 5 2400 - B450M - 16 GB... No GPU...
It has been working for the last 3 years, children use it for games, school, etc.

This is not much different from the new build... Why would it not output anything?
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Lupus has it right. The 3600 does NOT have onboard graphics. The motherboard has a port, but it will do nothing unless the CPU supports it. The 3600 does not support it.
The 2400g does support onboard graphics.
 
Messugga said:
I'd go 5600 rather than 3600.

That motherboard is fine but I'd get a PSU from someone like Corsair.
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No point really if he's on a B450 board.

Also, I'd spec out what GPU is going to be used because 550W won't really cut it for anything from the current gen. When things start boosting they need to have more juice available. So look for a 650W as a minimum.
 
The Voice said:
No point really if he's on a B450 board.

Also, I'd spec out what GPU is going to be used because 550W won't really cut it for anything from the current gen. When things start boosting they need to have more juice available. So look for a 650W as a minimum.
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How do you mean no point if he's on a B450 board? The 5600 is a chunk faster than the 3600, irrespective of the motherboard.
 
The Voice said:
No point really if he's on a B450 board.

Also, I'd spec out what GPU is going to be used because 550W won't really cut it for anything from the current gen. When things start boosting they need to have more juice available. So look for a 650W as a minimum.
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550w is actually perfectly fine for most unless you start going 3080. You'll be surprised on how little power is actually draw.
 
Lupus said:
550w is actually perfectly fine for most unless you start going 3080. You'll be surprised on how little power is actually draw.
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Yes, it will WORK. But working and working well are two very different things. There's nothing wrong with giving yourself a little headroom, and it offers piece of mind for a negligible amount more.

I never understand people who use 1000W PSUs for similar builds, but cutting it as close as you possibly can doesn't make sense either. PSUs run less efficiently as you get close to the limit, and I generally always go 100W more than what I "need" to avoid any headaches down the line.
 
The Voice said:
Yes, it will WORK. But working and working well are two very different things. There's nothing wrong with giving yourself a little headroom, and it offers piece of mind for a negligible amount more.

I never understand people who use 1000W PSUs for similar builds, but cutting it as close as you possibly can doesn't make sense either. PSUs run less efficiently as you get close to the limit, and I generally always go 100W more than what I "need" to avoid any headaches down the line.
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That build with a 2060 Super which is 175 watt card, the CPU is 65w plus the other stuff will top out at 346w.
The 550w will be fine, if it was a 125w cpu and a 3080 it hits 531w then I would go for a 650w or maybe a 750.Screenshot_20210516_193002_com.android.chrome.jpg
 
All this talk is getting me in the mood to upgrade. My PC is now 9 years old, AMD FX 8320, GPU is 6 years old, R9 380. Still plays everything, albeit some at a tad lower settings.
Is there any good AMD GPU's available somewhere, that the miners haven't taken yet?
 
BraBean said:
All this talk is getting me in the mood to upgrade. My PC is now 9 years old, AMD FX 8320, GPU is 6 years old, R9 380. Still plays everything, albeit some at a tad lower settings.
Is there any good AMD GPU's available somewhere, that the miners haven't taken yet?
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Now isn't the time to upgrade
 
Lupus said:
Now isn't the time to upgrade
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Arg, ok. I'll just rub some more grease under the thermal and blow clean the heatsink fins and carry on for a few years more.........

EDIT: Mmmm, maybe a liquid cooling job for the 'ol lady will keep her quiet for tad.
 
Lupus said:
There is no onboard graphics card for that Ryzen chip.
There hasn't been onboard graphics for years, the CPU normally has it. But AMD only put GPUs on APUs which will end in a G at the end.
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Lupus said:
I would get a graphics card first, otherwise not a lot will be displayed.
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Lupus said:
You're not quite getting it. He'll just have a really big paper weight with that build, as there will be nothing to output to the display.
There is no graphics card, there is no onboard graphics, therefore it will do nothing.
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Lupus said:
And a graphics card, so it can actually output to something
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You REALLY do like to see what you type
 
Spend R500 more on the CPU and get a i5-11400 which has integrated GPU. The CPU itself also significantly outclasses the 3600, inside and outside of gaming.
 
HerZeLeiD said:
Spend R500 more on the CPU and get a i5-11400 which has integrated GPU. The CPU itself also significantly outclasses the 3600, inside and outside of gaming.
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Well it's R500 more for the chip, there is a h410m board for R1600 but not sure if they'd buy that board, so next motherboard is R1000 more, plus R500 for the cooler.
So it's not just R500 more, though I would agree it's a better chip overall.
Could make a savings on slower ram as Intel doesn't care.
 
Lupus said:
Well it's R500 more for the chip, there is a h410m board for R1600 but not sure if they'd buy that board, so next motherboard is R1000 more, plus R500 for the cooler.
So it's not just R500 more, though I would agree it's a better chip overall.
Could make a savings on slower ram as Intel doesn't care.
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11th Gen CPUs are not supported by H410 nor B460. One can find B560M boards for about 2k.

There are A520M-K boards being sold on Carbonite for R700 that support Zen 2 out of box. That could be the cheapish entry point if OP is willing to also go 2nd hand on a 3600.
 
HerZeLeiD said:
Spend R500 more on the CPU and get a i5-11400 which has integrated GPU. The CPU itself also significantly outclasses the 3600, inside and outside of gaming.
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The 11400 does indeed look like better value. However as Lupus stated, the price of the CPU isn't all that matters.
B560 Motherboards are also a bit more hit and miss it seems.

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I do think it's worth considering it and doing the math as the 11400 is the superior CPU.
 
Barbarian Conan said:
The 11400 does indeed look like better value. However as Lupus stated, the price of the CPU isn't all that matters.
B560 Motherboards are also a bit more hit and miss it seems.

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I do think it's worth considering it and doing the math as the 11400 is the superior CPU.
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The general trend for the low end segment is the intel cpu being cheaper than amd but the corresponding boards being a lot more expensive. Your overall costs will probably be more expensive with the intel route with like to like boards.
 
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