New FNB "tap" cards

Dave

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Wait till you hear of cards being skimmed by this.

Oyster Card has been using contactless tap and pay for around 15 years and I don't think I've heard of a single case of skimming in that time.

Typical Swa mad conspiracy theory post, at least you should have plenty of tinfoil to wrap your card in...

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As of 2016, there hasn't been a single case of contactless card skimming (and contactless tap and pay has been in full use for years) in the UK.

One of the latest photos doing the rounds on social media shows a person holding a card terminal, supposedly using it to extract contactless card payments through the pockets of unaware people.

However, it's causing a lot more panic than it deserves - at least in the UK. The UK Cards Association, the trade body for card payments, has confirmed to techradar there have been no reported incidents of this crime in the country.


According to the UK Cards Association, this is it's nigh on impossible that someone could carry this out and get away with it.

Originally a post on a Russian Facebook page, the photo in question was picked up and shared by a lot of people claiming fraudsters could be slyly using POS (Point Of Sale) terminals to steal up to £30 at a time. But that's not the case, according to the UK Cards Association.


Giles Mason, Media Relations Manager for the UK Cards Association, told techradar, "In order to be able receive any money from a card payment, a retailer account must be set up with an acquiring bank.

"All acquirers carry out thorough security checks before setting up an account, and monitor new accounts for any suspicious activity. Every card payment is fully traceable, right through to the recipient account, meaning if any fraud is reported the recipient is easily identifiable."

It is theoretically possible that someone could use a registered terminal that is connected to a retail account, but it would be easy to track the thief down.

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...-contactless-card-through-your-pocket-1315231
 
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HavocXphere

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Amex just seems to have a problem with contactless pay in general, plenty of complaints on MacRumors of Amex issues with ApplePay as well, it often seems to refuse to verify and error to insert card/pin entry from what people have posted there.
It's specific terminals & it's because they can be configured to deny contactless on specific cards (actually says so on screen). God knows why some idiot disabled contactless for amex on those specific terminals.

I've worked out which ones around me do & don't tap amex. For the ones that do allow it it's as reliable as other cards. The others I go with another card or pin & chip it.

Haven't tried Apple pay. Might just do that tomorrow.

Wait till you hear of cards being skimmed by this.
It's already a thing in countries where contactless is popular.
 

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Haven't tried Apple pay. Might just do that tomorrow.

ApplePay will spoil you, it's so quick and simple. Lay your phone on the reader, put your thumb on the home button and it's done.

AndroidPay is similar but you have to unlock the phone first.

Apple Watch is the quickest, just double click the side button and touch the reader.
 

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Oyster Card has been using contactless tap and pay for around 15 years and I don't think I've heard of a single case of skimming in that time.

Typical Swa mad conspiracy theory post, at least you should have plenty of tinfoil to wrap your card in...

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As of 2016, there hasn't been a single case of contactless card skimming (and contactless tap and pay has been in full use for years) in the UK.



http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...-contactless-card-through-your-pocket-1315231
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...tch-out-for-digital-pickpockets-a6879796.html
 

Swa

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Don't both your and Dave's links refer to the same fb rumour and dismiss the "threat" in the same way?
No he claims there were no incidents. There were a few but probably with some fraudulently registered accounts. It's not mad tinfoil conspiracy nonsense as he claims. As the technology becomes more understood you'll have proper skimmers that can just copy your card.
 

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No he claims there were no incidents. There were a few but probably with some fraudulently registered accounts. It's not mad tinfoil conspiracy nonsense as he claims.

You just stack up your boxes of tinfoil swa.

As the technology becomes more understood you'll have proper skimmers that can just copy your card.

lol :crylaugh:

Tap and pay has been in use in the UK since 2003 with the Oyster Card and 2007 for contactless debit cards and since 2005 in the US , that's 14 years for the Oyster Card!

not everyone needs as long as you do to understand how things work ;)
 

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You just stack up your boxes of tinfoil swa.



lol :crylaugh:

Tap and pay has been in use in the UK since 2003 with the Oyster Card and 2007 for contactless debit cards and since 2005 in the US , that's 14 years for the Oyster Card!

not everyone needs as long as you do to understand how things work ;)
Yet your statement of there never having been any cases is untrue and criminals will always advance will technology. So much for your theory of tin foil.
 

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When are we getting Android pay? I love NFC payments used my FNB cards especially when I park at the mall. I rarely have coins on so I just use my CC.
 

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Yet your statement of there never having been any cases is untrue and criminals will always advance will technology. So much for your theory of tin foil.

The article was clear, no cases of skimming or cloning, there has been fraud on the system, I've heard of cases where people "lose" their card and give it a friend to go and buy stuff and of lost cards being fraudulently used, not cloned or skimmed.

With regard to skimming or cloning:

The UK Cards Association, the trade body for card payments, has confirmed to techradar there have been no reported incidents of this crime in the country.

You also might want to check the level of skimming and cloning with conventional cards...



Also, my tin foil conspiracy theorist, have you seen the fraud level?

Contactless card fraud is actually quite low. In the first half of 2015, only £516,500 of a £2.58 billion contactless spend was fraudulent.

That represents less than 0.2% of all cases of card fraud in the UK in the first six months of 2015.

99.8% of card fraud is on conventional cards, scary no?
 
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The article was clear, no cases of skimming or cloning, there has been fraud on the system, I've heard of cases where people "lose" their card and give it a friend to go and buy stuff and of lost cards being fraudulently used, not cloned or skimmed.

With regard to skimming or cloning:
"Using this method to steal from people is harder than it seems, and out of the millions of people in the UK who own contactless cards, there have only been a few reported cases of these kinds of thefts taking place."

I did not claim it to be widespread or regularly occurring as you seem to think.

You also might want to check the level of skimming and cloning with conventional cards...
I am well aware of the level of crime with conventional cards, at least there is a pin protecting it if it gets lost till I can cancel it. You might also want to check how much money can be stolen vs with contactless tech. So my dear blinkers wearing person it's not that it's not possible or the criminals don't know how to do it already, it's that they simply aren't interested in your pocket change. ;)
 

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I am well aware of the level of crime with conventional cards, at least there is a pin protecting it if it gets lost till I can cancel it.

If they clone your conventional card the pin isn't going to help you, they'll have your card copied and in use somewhere far away and take a sh*t load more money than is possible on a few tap and pays.

You might also want to check how much money can be stolen vs with contactless tech.

A truck load more with conventional, yes.

So my dear blinkers wearing person it's not that it's not possible or the criminals don't know how to do it already, it's that they simply aren't interested in your pocket change. ;)

You just go sit in the corner bemoaning the technological advances and why you can't still pay with pieces of silver in the supermarket as you fashion yourself a new sturdier and thicker tinfoil hat...
 

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If they clone your conventional card the pin isn't going to help you, they'll have your card copied and in use somewhere far away and take a sh*t load more money than is possible on a few tap and pays.
Are you going to take everything I say and misrepresent it?

You just go sit in the corner bemoaning the technological advances and why you can't still pay with pieces of silver in the supermarket as you fashion yourself a new sturdier and thicker tinfoil hat...
Oh just stfu if you are not going to listen to anything said and just keep going on misrepresenting everything. That's just like you.
 

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Btw, then there's also this. The real threat has never been people making contactless payments but making conventional payments. Not so much tinfoil any more hey? ;)
 

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Oh just stfu if you are not going to listen to anything said and just keep going on misrepresenting everything. That's just like you.

Temper temper :p

And I was going to offer you a link to a cheap supplier of tinfoil as well...

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