New PC for Graphics Design

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My wifey has now started her graphics design company, but the laptop is a bit old noe. We want to build a good PC tht will last for a while and was hoping that the clever guys on here can assist with specs. Don't mind price for now, I am hopefull to get a list of components from this thread and then start building later on. The two major software programmes she will be using is Illustrator and Photoshop with 3D rendering. I know little about this so please feel free to assume other "performance hungry" software when advising. We will not be going the Apple route, so if you suggest that then please elaborate why. Thanks in advance.
 
Good news is that you dont need a super top performance pc for graphic design. Unless you're using 3D rendering softwards, 3DS Max, Cinema4D etc, a medium spec pc will work i think.

I would recommend a nVidia graphics card because: "NVIDIA GPUs take full advantage of the new Mercury Graphics Engine in Adobe® Photoshop® CS6 to deliver unprecedented speed and responsiveness for a fluid feel as you work. Unleash powerful capabilities for editing, compositing, and transforming images and designs." - http://www.nvidia.com/object/photoshop-cs6.html.

Also, a significant amount of ram would be to your advantage as working with images can take up quite a bit of memory.

My personal recommendation would be an Intel i7 CPU, atleast 8GB RAM, Hard drive as needed but perhaps an SSD drive as the main drive. 64-128GB should be sufficient. There are too many graphics cards to choose from. I would recommend the series 6xx series though as they are current so should have all the features you need and will be good for a while. Dont go for an over the top cars like a gtx680. Maybe have a look at the gtx660 - http://www.landmarkpc.co.za/store/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=gtx660&x=0&y=0

Hope this helps a bit :)
 
I'd recommend:
CPU: Intel Ivy Bridge i7 3770 ~ R3000
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ~ R1200
RAM: 4x 4GB DDR3 1600MHz CL9 1.5V ~ R1000
Graphics Card: HP Quadro 600 ~ R2000
SSD: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB ~ R1300
Harddrive: 2TB Drive ~ R1200
Case: Coolermaster Elite 311 ~ R360
Power Supply: Corsair VS450 ~ R500
DVD Writer: ~R150

I recommended a non-K model CPU, because very few working class people feel comfortable with overclocking their CPU's.
Secondly, I recommended 16GB of RAM instead of just 8GB, because then you can assign enough RAM to the XFast RAM drive, which could give you a significant performance boost.
Thirdly, I chose the HP Quadro 600, because the workstation graphics cards are meant for CAD applications and accurate rendering, where as desktop/gaming graphics cards are meant for performance and won't work with all CAD applications.
Lastly, I do hope that she has a dual screen IPS panel setup or at the very least 1x high resolution IPS panel.

Perhaps one can drop the Quadro 600 graphics card in the beginning and if you see that performance is poor in the applications, you can go for the Quadro 600 (~R2k) or Quadro 2000 (~R5k) graphics card.
 
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Thanks Pada - What is this IPS dual screen setup? Please explain a bit - and what are the benefits of having it?
 
IPS refers to the different technologies used to construct PC monitors. The cheapest is called TN - most TVs and screens use it. The most expensive is IPS - sometimes also used in high end cellphones. The difference is that colours are a lot more accurate on an IPS monitor, and viewing angles are much better. Especially if she will be printing her work, an IPS monitor is essential. Cost - at least R4k depending on size. There are IPS monitors in the R2k range, but these wont be great for colour accuracy.

Start with one, you can buy an extra one later. I mean, a lot of people find it easier to use two monitors, but not everyone.
 
Thanks Ancalagon - I will see how everything affects the budget. I don't know if it is foolish, but I reckon a state of the art screen like that will perhaps have to wait a while.
 
Personally I would think its more important to save on things like memory, and maybe CPU/GPU.

The reason is, a good screen is going to affect the quality of the work in terms of colour accuracy. A fast computer is just going to make the work take quicker. You can always put new components in an existing PC, but you cant put new components in an existing screen.
 
Might as well throw in a colirimeter as well to calibrate those screens.
 
I agree with what others have said about the monitor. If anything your wife does involves colour correction, the monitor is actually more important than the PC. Cheap LCD monitors are 6-bits per colour (at least they used to be not too long ago) and need to do software dithering to make up the extra two bits. This results in rather muddy colours, especially at the extremes. You need a minimum of a PVA panel, but preferably an IPS panel. And no, most salesmen won't know what you're talking about when you ask what panel is in the monitor.
 
I'd recommend:
CPU: Intel Ivy Bridge i7 3770 ~ R3000
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ~ R1200
RAM: 4x 4GB DDR3 1600MHz CL9 1.5V ~ R1000
Graphics Card: HP Quadro 600 ~ R2000
SSD: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB ~ R1300
Harddrive: 2TB Drive ~ R1200
Case: Coolermaster Elite 311 ~ R360
Power Supply: Corsair VS450 ~ R500
DVD Writer: ~R150

I recommended a non-K model CPU, because very few working class people feel comfortable with overclocking their CPU's.
Secondly, I recommended 16GB of RAM instead of just 8GB, because then you can assign enough RAM to the XFast RAM drive, which could give you a significant performance boost.
Thirdly, I chose the HP Quadro 600, because the workstation graphics cards are meant for CAD applications and accurate rendering, where as desktop/gaming graphics cards are meant for performance and won't work with all CAD applications.
Lastly, I do hope that she has a dual screen IPS panel setup or at the very least 1x high resolution IPS panel.

Perhaps one can drop the Quadro 600 graphics card in the beginning and if you see that performance is poor in the applications, you can go for the Quadro 600 (~R2k) or Quadro 2000 (~R5k) graphics card.

I approve of the above build.

Thanks Pada - What is this IPS dual screen setup? Please explain a bit - and what are the benefits of having it?

You definitely want IPS for colour accuracy.

Get two of these:
http://www.takealot.com/electronics...series-23-inch-super-led-ips-monitor,12795457
 
Pada's build is in line with what I'd recommend for a graphic design rig, especially with the Quadro. If it were me...

Intel Core i7 3770 @ R3066
GIGABYTE GA-B75M-D3H @ R822
TEAM Elite Silver DDR3-1600 16GB @ R788
OCZ Agility 4 128GB @ R1181
Western Digital Caviar Red 1TB in RAID mirror @ R2202
Cooler Master GX 400W @ R500
Antec One S3 USB 3.0 @ R508
Windows 7 Professional 64-bit @ R1461
Total: R9422

Now you'll see that there's a lack of a GPU. You and your wife have to decide how you'd like her pictures and colour accuracy to match what you'll see in the final print. A lot of artists and graphic designers don't actually care about this - and I know a few who use regular laptop screens for their work and they don't think it looks crap. I do, because I've seen the difference between a picture edited on a 8-bit screen and a 12-bit professional panel and the colour depth between the two is noticeable. So there's two options below that you have to choose from and remember, what you see on the screen isn't a reflection of what you'll see on print or in the final project unless you've got the right tools for the job.

Option 1) The Cheaper Route

HP A6R69AA AMD FirePro V3900 1GB DDR3 @ R1277 (review)
LG IPS235V-BN @ R2009

Option 2) The Professional Route

HP A3J92AA AMD FirePro V4900 @ R2243 (review)
Asus PA248Q 24" Professional 12-bit monitor @ R6104

The differences between the two might not be so pronounced if you have no experience in monitor panels. The cheaper route uses AMD's FirePro V3900 and a run-of-the-mill 8-bit IPS monitor. It'll do nicely, but the screen's image won't match up even closely to the final printed or real-life product. Colours will look a lot less banded with the monitor and you'll have photos that look a bit more life-like, but its not a professional monitor. The bits refer to the True Colour table the monitor is able to display, with a True Colour 8-bit monitor displaying 16.7 million different colours.

However, most entry-level DSLR cameras shoot at 14-bit True Colour depth - that means you're missing out in a huge amount of information which you should be taking into account. Scanning a photo at high quality? That's 24-bit True Colour depth, way beyond what most monitors will ever manage to render. Printers vary, but most commercial ones start at 10-bit depth if I'm not mistaken.

So the more expensive option uses the FirePro V4900 and ASUS' PA248Q monitor. Its a 12-bit unit so its worth it from an accuracy point of view and has some cool hardware tricks as well, like a powered USB 3.0 hub on the left-hand side. Its also a 16:10 monitor, something necessary for working with pictures if you take them in a 4:3 or 16:10 format. To enable the 12-bit rendering mode, there's a setting you must turn on in the drivers and in Photoshop. It also helps if you use the Displayport Cable, because most cheap DVI cables only allow for 8-bit video.

Some peeps here have recommended Quadro cards. There are a few CUDA-supported parts of Photoshop and Illustrator, but they're mostly available through plug-ins that your wife may or may not use. Up until recently there were also specific tools available in Photoshop and Illustrator that were GPU-accelerated only with Quadro cards but with CS6 and all of Adobe's updated suites, this no longer applies and a varying amount of cards can exploit the new rendering engine by using something called OpenCL.

In a nutshell, you don't need to run a Nvidia card for acceleration for the effects that you apply if you're using the newly-updated versions - you can also use any Radeon card from the HD2000 series up and any Intel Integrated GPU from the HD3000 series onwards. I'd use the FirePro cards anyway since AMD's cards are faster in most benchmarks than competing Quadro variants. If your wife is sticking to older versions of Photoshop and Illustrator, then she'd be better served with a Quadro card if its any version older than the ones bundled in Adobe CS6.

Hope that answers your questions and doesn't confuse! :-P
 
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All of you. Thanks for the info. Yes I am a bit confused, but at least I have a great starting point to work from
 
And everybody ignores colour calibration. Even if you spend US$10000 on your lcd you still need to calibrate the thing.
 
And everybody ignores colour calibration. Even if you spend US$10000 on your lcd you still need to calibrate the thing.

I noted your earlier post thanks. I don't know how calibration works, but will look/ask around
 
And everybody ignores colour calibration. Even if you spend US$10000 on your lcd you still need to calibrate the thing.

Well I know the screens are calibrated out of the box for standard apps, but at least there's a menu button to allow you to set it yourself :-P Not everyone's as finicky as the techies on MyBB.
 
Those menu buttons count for schite when you need accurate colour reproduction. Downloading a ICC profile for your monitor is not always enough.
 
So this is what I could come up with ... what is your view?

Motherboard: INTEL Z77 Spur Lake - Ivy Bridge @ R1150.00
RAM: 4x KINGSTON HYPERX GENESIS BLU 4GB DDR3 1600MHz CL9 1.5V @ R1090.00
Graphics Card: HP A3J92AA AMD FIREPRO V4900 @ R2100.00 or ATI HD7750 - PCi-E 3.0 , 28nm , 1Gb 128bit 4 channel DDR5
Harddrive: 2 x 1TB Drive ~ R1708.00
Case: Coolermaster Elite 311 @ R314.00
Power Supply COOLERMASTER EXTREME POWER II 475W @ R450.00
DVD Writer @ R160.00
Monitor: LG 23” IPS Panel LED Model IPS235V R1825.00
 
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