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wizardofid said:
Sadly CPU shortages is now creeping in, as both AMD and intel shifted to server CPUs. There is already instances of as much 25% in some countries and as much as 50% increase else where. Latest generation may not necessarily be an option.

So yeah those CPU increases is starting to hit here a bit more, my CPU from last year, is now 5k, there is still places which had older stock for 4k +-

That said not waiting for am6 wouldn't be the worse, DDR6 prices is most likely going to be at current DDR5 prices. Since am6 will be around for awhile anyways, personally I would wait till it matures a little bit, it is likely only around second gen am6 will prices be slightly less insane.

No harm in waiting till next year to see how much am6 platform upgrade will be and then deciding. Current CPU shortages may have settled by then. But just something to keep in mind.
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The writing was on the wall
 
wizardofid said:
I have a gut feeling DDR6 prices will be insane and constrained and will hinge on DDR5 recovery, which is unlikely. Either way I am fine don't need to upgrade for at least 4-5 years.

Only thing I need to do is upgrade GPU at some point.
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Yeah chopping and changing CPUs like I did previously isn't going to happen for the next few years.
 
Lupus said:
Yeah chopping and changing CPUs like I did previously isn't going to happen for the next few years.
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Well CPU's lasts 4-5 generations regardless. It was just a weird convergence the last 4 generations or so, extra cores, larger cache the switch to DDR5.

Lol you got spoiled with a long supported platform. Honestly still pretty much happy with mine, regardless of being a dead socket, should last me to the end of the decade.
 
wizardofid said:
Well CPU's lasts 4-5 generations regardless. It was just a weird convergence the last 4 generations or so, extra cores, larger cache the switch to DDR5.

Lol you got spoiled with a long supported platform. Honestly still pretty much happy with mine, regardless of being a dead socket, should last me to the end of the decade.
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CPUs only lasted 4 to 5 generations thanks to Intel back in the 2010s holding the market so long, when every generation was just a minor upgrade. When AMD finally came back and kicked them in the rear, CPU generations are starting to actually matter again.
Though I mean you can still game with a 3600 from 2021, it's just going to hold back your GPU more now.
 
Lupus said:
CPUs only lasted 4 to 5 generations thanks to Intel back in the 2010s holding the market so long, when every generation was just a minor upgrade. When AMD finally came back and kicked them in the rear, CPU generations are starting to actually matter again.
Though I mean you can still game with a 3600 from 2021, it's just going to hold back your GPU more now.
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Intel needed that kick in the pants, it did wonders for innovation and competition - better for the consumer all around.

My i7 laptop from 2022 was a quad core /spits
 
PhireSide said:
Intel needed that kick in the pants, it did wonders for innovation and competition - better for the consumer all around.

My i7 laptop from 2022 was a quad core /spits
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Yeah, I mean I started at a job in 2015 where they were doing a hardware refresh, the problem is the hardware wasn't much different from 3 years before, it was now just the same CPU v4 instead of the first version. It's like wtaf, in 2022 when I did a hardware refresh it was a completely different ballgame starting in 2020 already.
 
Lupus said:
Yeah, I mean I started at a job in 2015 where they were doing a hardware refresh, the problem is the hardware wasn't much different from 3 years before, it was now just the same CPU v4 instead of the first version. It's like wtaf, in 2022 when I did a hardware refresh it was a completely different ballgame starting in 2020 already.
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The famous old 14nm++++++ memes rang true.

Work put us onto M4 Macbooks now, these are pure bliss compared to my outgoing i7 (and it was cheaper to procure as well)
 
PhireSide said:
The famous old 14nm++++++ memes rang true.

Work put us onto M4 Macbooks now, these are pure bliss compared to my outgoing i7 (and it was cheaper to procure as well)
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Yup it was almost 7 years of that kak until the first Epycc CPUs started coming out, then suddenly intel started getting new CPUs with better RAM support. I mean literally 3 refreshes in the 2010s was almost the exact same systems.
I just put Linux on any laptop given to me, so don't know of the Windows issues people have, though the stupid Dell was so tpm that it moaned about Linux man.
 
Lupus said:
CPUs only lasted 4 to 5 generations thanks to Intel back in the 2010s holding the market so long, when every generation was just a minor upgrade. When AMD finally came back and kicked them in the rear, CPU generations are starting to actually matter again.
Though I mean you can still game with a 3600 from 2021, it's just going to hold back your GPU more now.
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Yeah but that should slow down now a bit thanks to die shrinkage limits, generational improvements shouldn't be as stacked as they use to be.

Going to be interesting times, getting 1mn is going to be a beatch already is which is why we are switching to 3D stacking imagine if intel can finally crack that, since nvidia invested in intel. It is going to be fun, fun, fun. Intel is already showing progress with their new CPU release
 
wizardofid said:
Yeah but that should slow down now a bit thanks to die shrinkage limits, generational improvements shouldn't be as stacked as they use to be.

Going to be interesting times, getting 1mn is going to be a beatch already is which is why we are switching to 3D stacking imagine if intel can finally crack that, since nvidia invested in intel. It is going to be fun, fun, fun. Intel is already showing progress with their new CPU release
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Well Intel did sit on higher die sizes for a long time, we may need to start looking at things like 3D Cache, as going to 1nm is a hectic ask. Well I mean now
 
Lupus said:
Yup it was almost 7 years of that kak until the first Epycc CPUs started coming out, then suddenly intel started getting new CPUs with better RAM support. I mean literally 3 refreshes in the 2010s was almost the exact same systems.
I just put Linux on any laptop given to me, so don't know of the Windows issues people have, though the stupid Dell was so tpm that it moaned about Linux man.
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I was watching a video on the cheapest Ryzen you can get, the Ryzen 3 1200, and in most games it runs pretty decently but of course it had less IPC than the Intel variants of the time. But some titles did run better on the true quad core 1200 than the hyperthreaded dual cores that Intel had around Skylake's era. Zen 1 really paved the way for what we have today, that being said I loved my little Ryzen 5 1600. It's weird how back then both camps just had 'normal' CPUs and then slowly but surely we had the 'glued together' chiplets that Ryzen introduced, while Intel is mixing E-cores and P-cores in their products. It must be a nightmare for the guys writing the OS schedulers to make sure processes run on the correct cores/threads.

Sadly they removed Linux from rotation a few years back, but I recall that we had access to Ubuntu once upon a time on our PXE stack. Now it's just Windows 11, and MacOS for those with Apple devices. We have had surprisingly little friction with the Macbook rollout, the odd hiccup here and there but people seem happy to use them (and battery life is phenomenal to boot).
 
Lupus said:
Well Intel did sit on higher die sizes for a long time, we may need to start looking at things like 3D Cache, as going to 1nm is a hectic ask. Well I mean now
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Yeah but it isn't going to be wallet friendly. It is kinda sad, AMD pretty much killed off their entry CPU line ups, and intel is slowly moving in that direction as well now.

But it makes sense software computing power needed now is even more brutal now and outpaced hardware. It is simply impossible to do anything useful on a dual core chip let alone a ryzen 3 or core 3 chip these days.

I still remember when a core 3 chip was considered good enough for gaming, now you need at min a core5 or ryzen 5 chip
 
PhireSide said:
I was watching a video on the cheapest Ryzen you can get, the Ryzen 3 1200, and in most games it runs pretty decently but of course it had less IPC than the Intel variants of the time. But some titles did run better on the true quad core 1200 than the hyperthreaded dual cores that Intel had around Skylake's era. Zen 1 really paved the way for what we have today, that being said I loved my little Ryzen 5 1600. It's weird how back then both camps just had 'normal' CPUs and then slowly but surely we had the 'glued together' chiplets that Ryzen introduced, while Intel is mixing E-cores and P-cores in their products. It must be a nightmare for the guys writing the OS schedulers to make sure processes run on the correct cores/threads.

Sadly they removed Linux from rotation a few years back, but I recall that we had access to Ubuntu once upon a time on our PXE stack. Now it's just Windows 11, and MacOS for those with Apple devices. We have had surprisingly little friction with the Macbook rollout, the odd hiccup here and there but people seem happy to use them (and battery life is phenomenal to boot).
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Oh I just installed it ;-) I didn't ask for permission, I had Windows running in 2020 through to 2022, but after I logged a ticket with full logs for DNS issues and my IP address and the support guy came over and just clicked around my machine, I was like I can fix this myself and boom went back to Mint.
 
PhireSide said:
I was watching a video on the cheapest Ryzen you can get, the Ryzen 3 1200, and in most games it runs pretty decently but of course it had less IPC than the Intel variants of the time. But some titles did run better on the true quad core 1200 than the hyperthreaded dual cores that Intel had around Skylake's era. Zen 1 really paved the way for what we have today, that being said I loved my little Ryzen 5 1600. It's weird how back then both camps just had 'normal' CPUs and then slowly but surely we had the 'glued together' chiplets that Ryzen introduced, while Intel is mixing E-cores and P-cores in their products. It must be a nightmare for the guys writing the OS schedulers to make sure processes run on the correct cores/threads.

Sadly they removed Linux from rotation a few years back, but I recall that we had access to Ubuntu once upon a time on our PXE stack. Now it's just Windows 11, and MacOS for those with Apple devices. We have had surprisingly little friction with the Macbook rollout, the odd hiccup here and there but people seem happy to use them (and battery life is phenomenal to boot).
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Windows 11 fixed most of those issues now. Later gens actually allows you to park the e cores, just have to press scroll lock to park the e cores on my system
 
wizardofid said:
Yeah but it isn't going to be wallet friendly. It is kinda sad, AMD pretty much killed off their entry CPU line ups, and intel is slowly moving in that direction as well now.

But it makes sense software computing power needed now is even more brutal now and outpaced hardware. It is simply impossible to do anything useful on a dual core chip let alone a ryzen 3 or core 3 chip these days.

I still remember when a core 3 chip was considered good enough for gaming, now you need at min a core5 or ryzen 5 chip
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Yup and it's frustrating, as we just want games, we don't need these overdeveloped under optimised games :-(
 
Lupus said:
Oh I just installed it ;-) I didn't ask for permission, I had Windows running in 2020 through to 2022, but after I logged a ticket with full logs for DNS issues and my IP address and the support guy came over and just clicked around my machine, I was like I can fix this myself and boom went back to Mint.
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Our Infosec guys are on point, we can barely look sideways at some opensource code without them firing warning emails our way. But, financial regulatories/frameworks/audits and all that, I suppose, the joys of corporate.

I could definitely get by with Linux as most stuff is web-based anyways and the only real application aside from a browser that I need is something I can use to SSH/console into some routers and switches.
 
PhireSide said:
Our Infosec guys are on point, we can barely look sideways at some opensource code without them firing warning emails our way. But, financial regulatories/frameworks/audits and all that, I suppose, the joys of corporate.

I could definitely get by with Linux as most stuff is web-based anyways and the only real application aside from a browser that I need is something I can use to SSH/console into some routers and switches.
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Our infosec guys are generally the same, but when they've had various "intrusion" tests and simulations and the only person they couldn't get through was the one running linux, plus having run 54 linux servers successfully for 11 years without an intrusion, they give me grace.
I did have them once send me an email about running "unlicensed" software, I was like it's a default package of Mint and here is the EULA, here is everything you need, there is no reason to stress there is no liabilities I've read it all.
 
Lupus said:
Yup and it's frustrating, as we just want games, we don't need these overdeveloped under optimised games :-(
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Well it isn't the entire story for the longest times software lagged behind hardware a bit, it has dramatically caught up with hardware and in some instances well ahead of hardware. Ray tracing is the perfect example, it isn't even true ray tracing, it is a hybrid system and software had to physically limit the amount rays because hardware can't held it. It is one of the reason, why I haven't jumped on the RT bandwagon, the performance sucks, AMD and nvidia made their bed on RT being a thing and being able to have hardware capable to run it well, backfired, now they are forced to focus on the slop that is AI, to compensate for the lack of progress on the hardware front.

RT is a dead end, shifting to dsll and FSR is just masking the real problem and we are paying for it now...
 
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