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longboy said:
Yeah the difference will show on gaming for sure with a 6 core 9600x vs. the 8 core 5700X3D gaming optimised chip with huge L3 cache.

I have a work pc with a 9700x and it does not compare to the 5700X3D when it comes to Gaming.

AM4 is not dead yet for gaming - especially the X3D chips like the 5700X3D and 5800X3D. The next upgrade if you go AM5 is the 9800X3D which is ~R11k alone just for the CPU.
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Nope you could go for the 7800x3d which is a big jump from the 5700x3d
 
longboy said:
Still costs R9k for a 7800X3D.
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Yup but it is a lot better than a 5700x3d, if you're building a new system go AM5, if you're on AM4 the 5700x3d is fine for gaming. I've got one it's breathed a bit of life into my machine.
 
Lupus said:
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Don't go Am4 especially the 5700x3d for non gaming.
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For the same money ill get you 4 times the FPS

Here's how:

I would downgrade the following:

1. Get a Ryzen 5700x (R3900 - Takealot)
2. A520 motherboard - R1500 Gigabyte, Wootware
3. R1400 for 32gb DDR 4 3200mhz Gskill
4. R900 case
5. R500 tower cooler
6. R1000 PSU 600 watts or so

Take the savings and upgrade the GPU to a Gigabyte Radeon 9070 non xt (R13700 wootware)

Net result you will spend the same money for 4 x the FPS.......

(Im running a 5700x + 9070 OC and the bottleneck is the GPU NOT the cpu, nowhere even close)
 
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bixt said:
For the same money ill get you 4 times the FPS

Here's how:

I would downgrade the following:

1. Get a Ryzen 5700x (R3900 - Takealot)
2. A520 motherboard - R1500 Gigabyte, Wootware
3. R1400 for 32gb DDR 4 3200mhz Gskill
4. R900 case
5. R500 tower cooler
6. R1000 PSU 600 watts or so

Take the savings and upgrade the GPU to a Gigabyte Radeon 9070x (R13700 wootware)

Net result you will spend the same money for 4 x the FPS.......

(Im running a 5700x + 9070 OC and the bottleneck is the GPU NOT the cpu, nowhere even close)
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A520 Mainboard is PCIE-3.0 btw. You'll need a B550 for PCIE-4.0 to get full use out of that GPU. Not much of a difference in price(on sale it's like 800 more expensive than an A520). I would go for a B550 at least or preferably an 850 or the cheapest x870 board for such a high end GPU.

VRM's on an A520 are not good at all too so there's heat/voltage isues if you use it for gaming. I've seen good GPU's damaged by a mainboard with terrible VRM.

You'll need a 750W+ psu to get the most performance out of a 9070 OC as well. It has some spikes on power draw at times (you'll notice some small lag/glitches in games).
 
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bixt said:
For the same money ill get you 4 times the FPS

Here's how:

I would downgrade the following:

1. Get a Ryzen 5700x (R3900 - Takealot)
2. A520 motherboard - R1500 Gigabyte, Wootware
3. R1400 for 32gb DDR 4 3200mhz Gskill
4. R900 case
5. R500 tower cooler
6. R1000 PSU 600 watts or so

Take the savings and upgrade the GPU to a Gigabyte Radeon 9070 non xt (R13700 wootware)

Net result you will spend the same money for 4 x the FPS.......

(Im running a 5700x + 9070 OC and the bottleneck is the GPU NOT the cpu, nowhere even close)
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He's not after FPS for gaming, he already had a 5700x3D which would be useless for CAD the 9700x would be far better and a ARC GPU would be fine for that.
 
longboy said:
A520 Mainboard is PCIE-3.0 btw. You'll need a B550 for PCIE-4.0 to get full use out of that GPU. Not much of a difference in price(on sale it's like 800 more expensive than an A520). I would go for a B550 at least or preferably an 850 or the cheapest x870 board for such a high end GPU.

VRM's on an A520 are not good at all too so there's heat/voltage isues if you use it for gaming. I've seen good GPU's damaged by a mainboard with terrible VRM.

You'll need a 750W+ psu to get the most performance out of a 9070 OC as well. It has some spikes on power draw at times (you'll notice some small lag/glitches in games).
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PCI E 3 vs 4 vs 5 makes 1-2% difference (tested on a nVidia 5090). The key is having 16 lanes.

A520m Gigabyte only - specifically yes because it has good VRMs. B550 is better yes if only R800 more agreed. I stuck gpu ram heatsinks on the mobo VRMs.

Spikes do not result in glitches\slowdowns but hard PSU shutdowns if its a quality PSU or a burnt PSU if its cr@p. 600w is plenty if its a proper PSU. Im using a 450w (yeah swear me, I have to use a frame limiter to 144fps, rivatuner, as high frames in menus were causing hard shutdowns.) So 600w should avoid that issue. The 5700x on a A520M is 77w under load (advertised 65 watts).

Im using this exact system daily since the 9070 launched with zero issues, 99% GPU usage, except my PSU issue which I outlined. Im in no way saying cut it as fine as I did and use a 450W PSU but 600W on a low TDP CPU is fine.
 
My CPU is 77 watts + 270w GPU (power limit 245w + 10% limit increase). Im measuring roughly 440 watts at the wall (so actual watts is under 400).

But no one else should do such a thing...go 600 watts + .
 
bixt said:
My CPU is 77 watts + 270w GPU (power limit 245w + 10% limit increase). Im measuring roughly 440 watts at the wall (so actual watts is under 400).

But no one else should do such a thing...go 600 watts + .
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bixt said:
PCI E 3 vs 4 vs 5 makes 1-2% difference (tested on a nVidia 5090). The key is having 16 lanes.

A520m Gigabyte only - specifically yes because it has good VRMs. B550 is better yes if only R800 more agreed. I stuck gpu ram heatsinks on the mobo VRMs.

Spikes do not result in glitches\slowdowns but hard PSU shutdowns if its a quality PSU or a burnt PSU if its cr@p. 600w is plenty if its a proper PSU. Im using a 450w (yeah swear me, I have to use a frame limiter to 144fps, rivatuner, as high frames in menus were causing hard shutdowns.) So 600w should avoid that issue. The 5700x on a A520M is 77w under load (advertised 65 watts).

Im using this exact system daily since the 9070 launched with zero issues, 99% GPU usage, except my PSU issue which I outlined. Im in no way saying cut it as fine as I did and use a 450W PSU but 600W on a low TDP CPU is fine.
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Yeah lol I would not want to do that. If it works for you then that's all good though.
 
longboy said:
If it's for CAD then ditch the gaming chip and go AM5. You can build a CAD workstation for much less. Let me provide an example of a mid-upper range rig.

For CAD you will benefit much better with an Arc GPU. They are certified/optimised for AutoCAD (with Studio Drivers). In LongGOP workloads, the B580 GPU has the best performance of any video card I tested. See review below -

www.techpowerup.com

Intel Arc B580 Review - Excellent Value

The next-generation Intel Arc graphics cards are here! The B580, powered by the Battlemage architecture, is priced at a highly competitive $250. Testing in our review confirms that Intel's new card outperforms both NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4060 and AMD's RX 7600, and it now supports frame generation...
www.techpowerup.com

Build from Wootware -

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Thanks - my only hesitation with the intel GPU is a lot of cad & rendering software seems much friendlier with nvidias CUDA.
 
saor said:
Thanks - my only hesitation with the intel GPU is a lot of cad & rendering software seems much friendlier with nvidias CUDA.
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Yeah I do think you will probably run into some weird compatibility issues with an Intel Card, but if you persevere they are probably solvable.
 
saor said:
Thanks - my only hesitation with the intel GPU is a lot of cad & rendering software seems much friendlier with nvidias CUDA.
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I understand that.

You'd be better buying a used and much cheaper 3060/Ti from Carbonite for ~R3.5k with some Warranty left in that case. Those are real workhorses.

Nvidia

carbonite.co.za carbonite.co.za
 
longboy said:
I understand that.

You'd be better buying a used and much cheaper 3060/Ti from Carbonite for ~R3.5k with some Warranty left in that case. Those are real workhorses.

Nvidia

carbonite.co.za carbonite.co.za
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3060 for 3.5k on carb? Joke of the year... they still trying to milk 4-5k for the 3060 on carb
 
Last question about that mid-range cad pc build. Is it better to get a higher GDDR GPU with less ram or more ram and lower GDDR? Basically have around 6-8k for an nvdivia GPU. Would prefer to just get something on wootware as part of the build.

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I think the newer generation card would be better for you, and the RAM probably won't be a huge thing since you aren't intending on gaming on the machine to any great level.
 
saor said:
Last question about that mid-range cad pc build. Is it better to get a higher GDDR GPU with less ram or more ram and lower GDDR? Basically have around 6-8k for an nvdivia GPU. Would prefer to just get something on wootware as part of the build.

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You should really try avoid the 8GB cards and go for the 16GB cards if you can streth your budget a bit. At 7k the 9060 xt is a better buy than the 5060

 
saor said:
Last question about that mid-range cad pc build. Is it better to get a higher GDDR GPU with less ram or more ram and lower GDDR? Basically have around 6-8k for an nvdivia GPU. Would prefer to just get something on wootware as part of the build.

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For CAD single core CPU performance is still the single most important part of a CAD machine build. Software has come a long way in using more cores and GPU's etc but make sure that is where your money goes first as that is the biggest bottleneck.

As for the GPU ram it depends. The GPU is mostly used for rendering the model on screen while you are working with it so if you work on very large hard to render models you need more vram if you don't typically work on particularly large models then 8GB is plenty. GDDR6 vs 7 I don't believe is that high on the list of things to worry about.
 
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