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I took a look at Fan Control now, I will take it over a SignalRGB sub. The overhead appears to be minimal. I can't test it because the PC I am using now is centipede connected. Use OpenRGB when you need RGB syncing in addition to control, but it can be complex to use.
 
I've been using Fan Control for almost a year now, my PC runs cooler and quieter, the mixed fan curve is especially nice for making my case fans spin up depending on if my GPU or CPU is hottest.

Being able to set thresholds and percentages to stop the fans from ramping up and down when you're gaming and you just look at the map or do some inventory management real quick is also great.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
I see Fan Control is recommended by some.

Fan Control - Fan Control - A highly focused fan controlling software for Windows

Fan Control is a free software that allows the user to control their CPU, GPU and case fans using temperatures.
getfancontrol.com getfancontrol.com

It is best to read the documentation.

J2C did a video on it:

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I uninstalled it earlier - just copied the fan curves I decided on into the bios.

I also limit the power the CPU can pull so in theory, the fans should stay at the same speed - handy cos' I tuned the audio interface to filter out a certain level of background noise. 90W is plenty to get the 200mhz auto-oc PBO provides for the few cores that games use.

Those last few percent of horsepower a GPU or CPU can put out are very inefficient - the last bit of performance is the costliest so if it isn't going to help much, rather let them chill.
 
This is an MSI ad:

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:ROFL:
 
Just as they announce new (AI) tech...


Asetek stock value tanks as large OEM customers drop order volumes​

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I was thinking, yeah, they sit on water cooling patents. They are the enabler, and then I read:

Patents, patents, patents​

Asetek’s strong position in the liquid cooling market comes thanks to their patented technologies. Many of those patents have been invalidated, and others are de to expire. This gives Asetek’s competitors and customers space to create new liquid cooler designs that utilise aspects of Asetek’s patented designs. As such, some Asetek customers may soon produce their own in-house liquid cooler designs, and Asetek’s existing competitors will have more design freedom. Expect big changes to come to the PC liquid cooling market in the near future.
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This is both good and bad news. There could be potential warranty issues, but eh, depends.
 

US sanctions may force DeepCool to stop its US operations​


DeepCool have been hit with US sanctions for “supporting Russia’s war effort”​

The US State Department has confirmed that sanctions have been placed on Beijing DeepCool Industries. DeepCool is a manufacturer of PC cooling solutions, cases and power supplies. The company has allegedly supplied Russian companies with over $1 million worth of “Common High Priority” (CHPL) goods. These are goods that can assist Russia’s war efforts against Ukraine.

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The US’ sanctions will prevent all US firms from transacting any business with “Beijing DeepCool Industries”. This will likely mean that the US-based parts of DeepCool will need to cease all operations. After all, they can no longer work with their parent company. As a result, American retailers may soon start delisting DeepCool products. Additionally, these sanctions could prevent DeepCool from providing after sales support to its existing customer.
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No more mainstream Deepcool reviews. They had some nice new tech at Computex.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
@Aghori told you Deepcool made the best AIOs ;)
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Sure, CPU coolers assist in Russia's war efforts :D:D

Seriously though, DeepCool is one lekker and reliable brand. Never had issues, and nor did any of the chaps I recommended it to. It may be a bit pricier but as they say... 'Goedkoop is deurkoop'.

US are shooting themselves in the foot since DeepCool also operates in the USA and contributes to their economy.
I also believe a country should not be able to dictate to a private business to whom they can and cannot sell to, or impose with sanctions if they do not toe the line.

'Rules for me and rules for you' - So much for Democracy and Free Markets :(
 
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Aghori said:
Sure, CPU coolers assist in Russia's war efforts :D:D

Seriously though, DeepCool is one lekker and reliable brand. Never had issues, and nor did any of the chaps I recommended it to. It may be a bit pricier but as they say... 'Goedkoop is deurkoop'.

US are shooting themselves in the foot since DeepCool also operates in the USA and contributes to their economy.
I also believe a country should not be able to dictate to a private business to whom they can and cannot sell to, or impose with sanctions if they do not toe the line.

'Rules for me and rules for you' - So much for Democracy and Free Markets :(
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A bit OT. I don't wish to bring politics into this thread. Since this will have an impact on availability and accessibility, it was worth the mention. Deepcool will continue to be sold here.

Looking at the CHPL list, this could have only been PSUs. PSUs which are made by Channel Well (also Chinese). Though I see ball bearings are also on the list, so... would the Russians strip products to get parts?

Generally, I am in the mind that the US is punishing the Russian market, and anyone who supports that market. Turning public sentiment. The Deepcool supply to Russia is small, it is ~$1 million.

I had a look at the Russian market, and Taiwanese, Japanese and American PC components, new, are still sold there. Lol, maybe some Deepcool competition lobbied.

Anyhow. Deepcool prices may go up in the markets or they could attempt to push volume to make up their US losses.
 
Nvidia might announce the RTX 5000 series sooner than expected:

www.tomshardware.com

GPU-boosting GDDR7 memory coming this year — SK hynix retracts comments, launching in Q4

SK hynix retracts comments made by booth rep
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GPU-boosting GDDR7 memory coming this year — SK Hynix to launch in Q4, matching competitors​


SK Hynix retracts comments made by booth rep

SK Hynix was rather quick to retract a comment made by its booth representative at Computex who said that it plans to start volume production of GDDR7 memory in the first quarter of 2025. Roughly a quarter behind its rival Micron. Yesterday, the company told AnandTech that its GDDR7 memory is on track for mass production in the fourth quarter of this year, which is in line with its rivals. Tom's Hardware has contacted SK Hynix for confirmation and further comment. This article will be updated when we receive a response.

SK Hynix demonstrated its first GDDR7 memory chips at Computex 2024 as well as revealing its general plans for this type of SGRAM. The company's GDDR7 product line-up will include chips with 16Gb and 24Gb capacities and with data transfer rates of up to 40 GT/s. SK Hynix's first GDDR7 product will likely be a 16Gb SGRAM IC featuring a data transfer rate north from 30 GT/s, though the company yet has to formally announce its first GDDR7 devices, as unlike its competitors it still has not officially introduced them.
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Fulcrum29 said:
A bit OT. I don't wish to bring politics into this thread. Since this will have an impact on availability and accessibility, it was worth the mention. Deepcool will continue to be sold here.

Looking at the CHPL list, this could have only been PSUs. PSUs which are made by Channel Well (also Chinese). Though I see ball bearings are also on the list, so... would the Russians strip products to get parts?

Generally, I am in the mind that the US is punishing the Russian market, and anyone who supports that market. Turning public sentiment. The Deepcool supply to Russia is small, it is ~$1 million.

I had a look at the Russian market, and Taiwanese, Japanese and American PC components, new, are still sold there. Lol, maybe some Deepcool competition lobbied.

Anyhow. Deepcool prices may go up in the markets or they could attempt to push volume to make up their US losses.
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I thought that the newer PSU's use sleeve bearings on their fan/s. I could be wrong and maybe the cheaper ones do use ball bearings. Same with case fans.

I find that the sleeve bearings are much quieter and last longer.
 
Aghori said:
I thought that the newer PSU's use sleeve bearings on their fan/s. I could be wrong and maybe the cheaper ones do use ball bearings. Same with case fans.

I find that the sleeve bearings are much quieter and last longer.
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Yeah, I won't know. The US hasn't published what was in contravention. Deepcool could have shipped anything to the two red-listed Russian companies, and not their own retail catalog per se, so it could have been parts. It is also unclear whether Deepcool intentionally sold products to the two companies. There could have been a middle-man involved in order to circumvent sanctions. The situation is what it is: Deepcool might engage in protest action, but in the US, they are now red-listed. The US’s European trade partners, including Japan and Taiwan, tend to honor US sanction lists.

This is where the situation could prove to be a problem. Warranties, and it might impact us too.

Deepcool is the middle-priced top contender. This could mean that others like Scythe and ID-Cooling could raise their pricing too since they won't need to undercut Deepcool anymore.

For consumers, this is a bad situation all-around. I hope that Deepcool can clear it up.

Lolz, how many are only now discovering that Deepcool is Chinese. It is an ugly discussion in some places. Hikvision is in the same boat.
 
Neoprod said:
I uninstalled it earlier - just copied the fan curves I decided on into the bios.

I also limit the power the CPU can pull so in theory, the fans should stay at the same speed - handy cos' I tuned the audio interface to filter out a certain level of background noise. 90W is plenty to get the 200mhz auto-oc PBO provides for the few cores that games use.

Those last few percent of horsepower a GPU or CPU can put out are very inefficient - the last bit of performance is the costliest so if it isn't going to help much, rather let them chill.
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And why undervolting GPU is so effective :thumbsup: Massive sound and power reduction for very little performance sacrifice
 
For Raptor Lake owners and potential buyers:

www.igorslab.de

Intel comments internally on the “13th and 14th Generation K SKU Processor Instability Issue” and finally brings a comprehensive update of its own investigation (Leak) | igor´sLAB

What do you think it means when Intel provides a document with the title “Title Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost (eTVB) May Miscalculate Frequency Limits” and the subline “Issue Description An…
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Intel comments internally on the “13th and 14th Generation K SKU Processor Instability Issue” and finally brings a comprehensive update of its own investigation (Leak)​

What do you think it means when Intel provides a document with the title “Title Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost (eTVB) May Miscalculate Frequency Limits” and the subline “Issue Description An incorrect frequency limit calculation may allow the processor to operate at a high frequency state at a high temperature”? That’s when it gets interesting, because the problem with potentially unstable 13th and 14th generation K-CPUs and possible consequential damage has been around for a long time.

It is of course a pity that the following document has been provided with an NDA and not (yet) used as the basis for a public statement, but perhaps that will come. If not, I have something for you that should shed some light on the matter. The other comments are also interesting. Let’s start with the preceding summary and text description.

Root Cause Root cause is an incorrect value in a microcode algorithm associated with the eTVB feature.
Implication Increased frequency and corresponding voltage at high temperature may reduce processor reliability.
Observed Found internally.
Impacted platforms Raptor Lake S, Raptor Lake Refresh S (CPUID 0xB0671)
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13th and 14th Generation K SKU Processor Instability Issue Update​

The actual announcement now refers to the conclusion that Intel has drawn from its own investigations. The original text is also highlighted in blue here. Due to the protection of my sources, I have not taken a screenshot, but copied the text in excerpts:

Failure Analysis (FA) of 13th and 14th Generation K SKU processors indicates a shift in minimum operating voltage on affected processors resulting from cumulative exposure to elevated core voltages. Intel® analysis has determined a confirmed contributing factor for this issue is elevated voltage input to the processor due to previous BIOS settings which allow the processor to operate at turbo frequencies and voltages even while the processor is at a high temperature. Previous generations of Intel® K SKU processors were less sensitive to these type of settings due to lower default operating voltage and frequency.

Intel® requests all customers to update BIOS to microcode 0x125 or later by 7/19/2024.
This microcode includes an eTVB fix for an issue which may allow the processor to enter a higher performance state even when the processor temperature has exceeded eTVB thresholds.
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So as everyone already knew... they pushed too hard and too far and now are pretending it was accidental.
 
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