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Sapphire is officially entering the market with full-sized motherboards. They have previously made motherboards like ITX and embedded boards, and I think they had an ATX board. However, they haven't previously entered the market at scale.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1925438476755116501

I am curious if they are making these themselves. NZXT use ASrock, IIRC, to make their boards for them, but NZXT don't do their own manufacturing. Sapphire, on the other hand, have manufacturing facilities, but reportedly don't make their own PCBs.

That NITRO+ board looks nice.
 
For those with Ryzen 9000, and also Ryzen 7000, CPUs, do update your BIOS (and use the latest chipset drivers). This issue is not unique to ASRock.

 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1927446755425005679

It's worse than that. I was told by an engineer that simply installing certain versions of Ryzen Master will put your CPU in PBO mode automatically, but tell you/tell the software/tell the BIOS it's not in PBO. It also can't be blocked by a bios setting.
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😮

I am curious whether this is an issue contained to Ryzen 9000? When I still had Ryzen Master installed, it never automatically put the CPU in PBO mode. I would assume that it is a very aggressive PBO setting. Also... there isn't that many Ryzen Master versions.

Anyhow, so there is an issue. I have seen this in the past with my CPU/mobo combo, though a BIOS update remedied the issue. I talked about it some time ago in this thread.

I was wrong about it being a clamp pressure issue. Odd how some have danced around this, and now with Tech Yes City exposing it due to experiencing the issue that people are talking. There is also some RMA controversy, hence Gamers Nexus did the RMA rescue thing.
 
Hmm..., I was planning a new build but reading about, Ryzen chips failing and Intel chips causing instability, I think I'm gonna hold back for a while.
 
Obieone said:
Is bios updating still the nightmare it used to be? I'll google but the last time I tried a bios update was 20 or so years ago and it did not end well.
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New motherboards are shipped with the latest BIOS, at the time it was made. The process is generally the same, except that there are more methods that make it a breeze. Recovery is also now enabled on most motherboards.

Some vendors like ASUS and MSI do push BIOS updates via their OS control panels. Gigabyte does it too, but they don't always push the latest BIOS. Flash drive with FAT32 is also needed should you have to do a manual update or rollback.

No, nightmares.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
New motherboards are shipped with the latest BIOS, at the time it was made. The process is generally the same, except that there are more methods that make it a breeze. Recovery is also now enabled on most motherboards.

Some vendors like ASUS and MSI do push BIOS updates via their OS control panels. Gigabyte does it too, but they don't always push the latest BIOS. Flash drive with FAT32 is also needed should you have to do a manual update or rollback.

No, nightmares.
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Yeah it's been pretty easy to flash a bios for the last couple of years.
 
What do you okes think about this build, it will be used for gaming at 1080p or possibly 1440p in the future. I have a case and monitor, my psu is an Antec 850w which is 8years old, so I thought it prudent to include a new one. Wootware build suggested a RX 7700 XT, which I changed as it seems the 5060Ti 8GB performs better overall at lower resolutions ... or am I missing something?

https://builder.wootware.co.za/pc?selections=47718,40650,43416,50462,46164,47075,48139
 
Obieone said:
What do you okes think about this build, it will be used for gaming at 1080p or possibly 1440p in the future. I have a case and monitor, my psu is an Antec 850w which is 8years old, so I thought it prudent to include a new one. Wootware build suggested a RX 7700 XT, which I changed as it seems the 5060Ti 8GB performs better overall at lower resolutions ... or am I missing something?

https://builder.wootware.co.za/pc?selections=47718,40650,43416,50462,46164,47075,48139
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I would wait until next week and see how the RX 9060 XT 16GB compares to the 5060 Ti 8GB. The Radeon might be at launch priced better, and pending on reviews it might be the better buy.

I won't and don't recommend buying a new 8GB GPU in 2025. Especially considering that you want to upgrade to 1440p.
 
Obieone said:
What do you okes think about this build, it will be used for gaming at 1080p or possibly 1440p in the future. I have a case and monitor, my psu is an Antec 850w which is 8years old, so I thought it prudent to include a new one. Wootware build suggested a RX 7700 XT, which I changed as it seems the 5060Ti 8GB performs better overall at lower resolutions ... or am I missing something?

https://builder.wootware.co.za/pc?selections=47718,40650,43416,50462,46164,47075,48139
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Looking at a very similiar build just using a slightly cheaper Mobo and CPU and need to add my case. Also waiting so see how the 9060 and 5060 is priced although going 8GB probably won't cut it.

Never mind see the 5060 is R7k so probably not worth it...
 
Obieone said:
What do you okes think about this build, it will be used for gaming at 1080p or possibly 1440p in the future. I have a case and monitor, my psu is an Antec 850w which is 8years old, so I thought it prudent to include a new one. Wootware build suggested a RX 7700 XT, which I changed as it seems the 5060Ti 8GB performs better overall at lower resolutions ... or am I missing something?

https://builder.wootware.co.za/pc?selections=47718,40650,43416,50462,46164,47075,48139
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I would do this.


9600x vs 7600x there is almost no difference performance especially not for R1000.
Then save money wherever you can.
- Mb vs mb are almost the same.
- save a few rands on nvme.
- The cooler saves a few bucks and cools the 7600x fine.
- save a good chunk on the psu.

Note: if you don't need wifi you can save an extra R1000 on the mb.

All the saving is for a 9070, I know it is 4k over budget but will be better value over the next few years and probably save some money in the long run. Plus way more performance now.

You could also do a 5070 and save an extra R1500 or do the 5060ti 16gb and come in just over 25k. All these options will give a great 1440p gaming experience.

The reason you want to stay away from 8gb cards.
 
Scary_Turtle said:
I would do this.


9600x vs 7600x there is almost no difference performance especially not for R1000.
Then save money wherever you can.
- Mb vs mb are almost the same.
- save a few rands on nvme.
- The cooler saves a few bucks and cools the 7600x fine.
- save a good chunk on the psu.

Note: if you don't need wifi you can save an extra R1000 on the mb.

All the saving is for a 9070, I know it is 4k over budget but will be better value over the next few years and probably save some money in the long run. Plus way more performance now.

You could also do a 5070 and save an extra R1500 or do the 5060ti 16gb and come in just over 25k. All these options will give a great 1440p gaming experience.

The reason you want to stay away from 8gb cards.
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Thanks, much appreciated!
 
Gave this liquid cooling thing a try
Not all it is cracked up to be

Could only deal with one core of this i7 2600 (disabled all but one)

had to add an ice block or two to finish the windows install

It made it through the install temps in the 60's

Might have been better with a copper or aluminium container

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Can someone with tech brains answer this dilemma :

Since I have been through multiple graphics cards and motherboards over the vast years on this rock, some last better than others.. I dug out an old GTX 1060 6GB, now this card looks brand new, no corrosion nothing why? because the heatsink is made of stainless steel <-- excellent. Others, like the new RTX cards are all thin aluminium which corrodes, goes white and literal does crumble away. Motherboards and GPUs also corrode and die as the little connectors are tin etc. They eventually corrode, go green or white and then will fail. The coast is obviously 10x worse than Joburg.


Why not either make the boards as follows, ideas :

  • Replacement heatsinks + fans OEM or aftermarket, make them common
  • Cover the entire board with resin to stop corrosion, so it's sealed
  • All soldering is gold (not expensive as so tiny)
 
Wrath of Khan MD said:
Can someone with tech brains answer this dilemma :

Since I have been through multiple graphics cards and motherboards over the vast years on this rock, some last better than others.. I dug out an old GTX 1060 6GB, now this card looks brand new, no corrosion nothing why? because the heatsink is made of stainless steel <-- excellent. Others, like the new RTX cards are all thin aluminium which corrodes, goes white and literal does crumble away. Motherboards and GPUs also corrode and die as the little connectors are tin etc. They eventually corrode, go green or white and then will fail. The coast is obviously 10x worse than Joburg.


Why not either make the boards as follows, ideas :

  • Replacement heatsinks + fans OEM or aftermarket, make them common
  • Cover the entire board with resin to stop corrosion, so it's sealed
  • All soldering is gold (not expensive as so tiny)
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Its an aditional cost that isn't needed for most people.
You can find GPU's that have a conformal coating on you just need to make sure you buy one if you live in an problematic area.
 
B-1 said:
Its an aditional cost that isn't needed for most people.
You can find GPU's that have a conformal coating on you just need to make sure you buy one if you live in an problematic area.
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Name the GPU's or motherboards? I am yet to see one.
And again, the price to do the above is in the cents... so to me, they want the boards to fail
 
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