New TV purchase: best entry level make/model?

And what about the next R1,500 on a 3D Blu-ray player? Or have you got a PS3 already.

And the R1,000 3D glasses?

;)

Sorry, but I don't buy the 3D tech yet, so am personally against forking out more just for it. I understand it's nice, but to me still in its infancy. I don't feel its marketing justifies the price increase.

Plenty Samsung PS43450 owners here, all are happy and I cannot recall reading one negative report. Its picture quality is factually better than the Samsung LAxxD550, with better blacks/colours/motion handling. Motion handling also affects fast-paced non-sport content, remember.

Also, the LG LCD/LED-LCD you've mentioned uses IPS panel, compared to Samsung's PVA. PVA is generally better. Most guys would go with the Samsung LA40D550 over the LG LE4500.

Does the LG have 100Hz? Or do I recall only 5xxx range having it.

Lol, yeah - never considered paying for any extra's - so now that you up it that way it just sounds like a lot of extra cash for something that isn't really going to make my experience that much better.

I remember seeing the Samsung PS43450 on special at House and Home for R4989 on Sunday - but due to the dismal floor display and lighting the picture quality on the PS43450 looked terrible... think I may need to rethink, but the special apparently ended yesterday. :(

One last thing, does it matter that the Samsung is only HD ready? Some of the stuff I read on review sites and blogs says no, citing lotsa technical stuff about 1024 x 768 resolution actually being sufficient(??).
 
It's usually around R4,999 at most places.

Nope, it does not matter in your case, because you are playing low resolution content which suits specifically 42/43" plasma with 1024x768 resolution. It only matters if you need Full HD/1080p/1920x1080 res, which would basically mean Blu-ray's and PC use. Also, you would need to sit at around 1.5m to get the full Full HD experience on a ±40" TV, since FHD becomes less noticeable from further viewing distances. Many will tell you otherwise, but it's ultimately up to you, most people cannot tell the difference. FHD largely serves as marketing gimmick and a facilitator of placebo effect, due to its dependence on the viewing distance factor.

1024x768 42/43" plasma is the best all round entry TV for both SD and HD content.

I suggest reading here from post #3046, explains exactly what you're looking for.
 
Lol, yeah - never considered paying for any extra's - so now that you up it that way it just sounds like a lot of extra cash for something that isn't really going to make my experience that much better.

I remember seeing the Samsung PS43450 on special at House and Home for R4989 on Sunday - but due to the dismal floor display and lighting the picture quality on the PS43450 looked terrible... think I may need to rethink, but the special apparently ended yesterday. :(

One last thing, does it matter that the Samsung is only HD ready? Some of the stuff I read on review sites and blogs says no, citing lotsa technical stuff about 1024 x 768 resolution actually being sufficient(??).

Have to say, I was also initially looking at the PS43d450 , then considered the D490 for the 3d, but then also looked at the extra costs involved. After reading all the posts and asking some questions, I eventually settled on the PS51D450 and let me say, it's been a blissful two weeks, although I'm still trying to get used to the huge screen size, especially coming from a 74cm crt.
 
I've got the originally mentioned LG 42" FHD-LED. For my application, it was the best buy at the time as:

a) I mounted it on the wall, meaning the thinner the better.
b) I'm a console (X360) gamer, and have heard that plasma monitors tend to fade quicker.
c) The RRP was R 9,999.95 at the time, and I picked it up for R 6999.95

Other than that, the image was nice and crisp, and with TrueMotion on high all movies become really smooth in framerate, as if it was shot with a handycam!
 
I'm looking to buy an affordable entry level flat screen tv with reasonable picture quality and sound. So far narrowed it down to two options that I like:
1. Samsung 43D490
- HD ready plasma with 3D
- approx R6500

2. LG 42LE4500
- Full HD LED
- approx R6000

Any one got experience with either one of these sets? Owner feedback would be appreciated as well as alternative make/model suggestions also welcome.

If you talking Brands I would go with Samsung, hands down.

But since you also comparing Plasma vs LED, Full HD vs HD Ready and 3D vs no 3D you really got a mess on your hands.

Take the LG, you going to be better off with the Full HD (1080) on the 42" LG rather than HD Ready (768) on the 43". Plus you much more likely going to be watching more HD movies then HD3D Movies so then as for the 3D it's a wasted on the Samsung.

I could say more but really I if you haven't already decided to take the LG I am wasting my breath, of course I was in the Samsung shop and the did have a slightly bigger Full HD LEd TV in that price range. ;)
 
b) I'm a console (X360) gamer, and have heard that plasma monitors tend to fade quicker.

Never heard of that before, unless it's about 5+ year old plasmas which did have lower lifespan.

Other than that, the image was nice and crisp, and with TrueMotion on high all movies become really smooth in framerate, as if it was shot with a handycam!

Interesting, I guess some people like that. Movies are said to be best watched the way they are shot at 23.99/24FPS (24Hz). Enabling 100Hz (I'd imagine the LG has it) is adding a lot of extra data to "smooth" the image out.
 
If you talking Brands I would go with Samsung, hands down.

But since you also comparing Plasma vs LED, Full HD vs HD Ready and 3D vs no 3D you really got a mess on your hands.

Take the LG, you going to be better off with the Full HD (1080) on the 42" LG rather than HD Ready (768) on the 43". Plus you much more likely going to be watching more HD movies then HD3D Movies so then as for the 3D it's a wasted on the Samsung.

I could say more but really I if you haven't already decided to take the LG I am wasting my breath, of course I was in the Samsung shop and the did have a slightly bigger Full HD LEd TV in that price range. ;)

You sound slightly misinformed.

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DevillEars said:
Which is better depends on a number of factors/requirements...

If screen-size vs price is a key issue, then plasma offers bigger screens for less cash.
If dark blacks and overall colour balance in lower ambient light levels are factors then, once again, plasma wins out
If full HD at smaller screen size is an issue, then LCD/LED are the only real options
If live sport and motion-intensive video material are a major usage, then plasma offers less motion smearing at realistic prices.
If the viewing area is brightly lit then LED backlit LCD offers the best solution

Taking the options...

Plasma: Pro: Size:Cost ratio, good motion reproduction, good blacks & colour; Con: Heat generated by panel, Full HD only on larger panels, best in lowish ambient light levels
CCFL-backlit LCD: Pro: Costs dropping due to LED, Full HD on small panels, low heat generation, work well in highish ambient light levels; Con: CCFL lamp(s) blows = replace panel, motion smearing on cheaper panels, blacks not black
LED-backlit LCD: Pro: Prices improving due to volumes, Full HD on small panels, low heat generation, low current consumption, work very well in high ambient light levels, should last due to LEDs; Con: Motion smearing on cheaper panels, blacks not back

The best plasma panel I've ever seen was the latest design level TV from Pioneer but it was pricey. The picture at full HD on a 46" panel was the best I've ever seen on any flat panel.
CCFL (Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamp) panels usually have lamp integrated into panel, so if lamp packs up, then the panel can be thrown away. One or two manufacturers (Sharp? Toshiba? I'm not sure which) use replaceable CCFL "modules" but these are also quite pricey.
LED-backlit panels come in two flavours:

1) Direct-illuminated where LEDs are located across the full screen area. These allow individual area LEDs to be turned off completely for better blacks, but the cost is higher and panels tend to be thicker
2) Edge-illuminated where LEDs are located around the edges. Blacks not as black as direct-illuminated, but panels can be very thin and the cost tends to be lower

Motion smearing has been recognised as an issue in LCD panels and manufacturers have reacted by offering faster refresh rates (up to 400fps) and interpolative software to plug in the additional frames over and above the typical video standard of 25fps

Another common misunderstanding lies in the size vs viewing distance equation. Many people ignore the mix of programme material and the resultant mix in source resolutions viewed. Selecting a humungous panel based only on HD program material at a given viewing distance provides a set-up that optimised for HD, but is NOT optimised for lower resolution material, which becomes very grainy and over-pixellated. When selecting panel size, REMEMBER to take into account source programming to be viewed!

So, what it all comes down to is that it's a case of horses for courses - depending on your requirements balance or priorities - where one technology will best address your specific needs. To attempt to define one as "the best" in all circumstances is likely to be misleading.

Late last year, a nearby lightning strike on the power line caused a surge that took out our old CRT TV sets so we decided to move to flat screens. Wife and I have very different tastes in viewing materials, so we did not go for one large (42" or larger) panel but chose, instead, to opt for 2 x 32" TVs. After much activity viewing options, we settled for 2 x Samsung 32" Full HD LED-backlit LCD TVs (UA32C5000). After almost a year, I have no regrets whatsoever - viewing distance is just under 3m in both cases and 32" is a good compromise size at this distance when viewing a mix of terrestrial analogue material (SABC/eTV/MNet) and HD movies.

Finally, DO TAKE THE TROUBLE TO RTFM AND GET TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO OPTIMISE THE COLOUR/CONTRAST/BRIGHTNESS/GAMMA SETTINGS! Also, switch the set from "Showroom" to "Home" (or whatever terminology is used) before carrying out adjustments to picture. If you want to get the best out of any panel - be it plasma or LCD - the picture settings need to be optimised for the environment(s) in which the TV will be used. You may well need to set up two or more sets of settings - one for daytime viewing and another for nighttime viewing.

A Tip: Rather than approach picture settings from scratch, I went web-surfing and Googled the make/model and "picture settings" and then read the posts found and selected one set that seemed to match my needs and setup the Samsung TV to the settings shown in the post. This gave very good results and a fine picture that only needed a few minor "tweaks" to optimise for my tastes. Much quicker and less frustrating than starting from first principles!

Have fun!
 
@PostmanPot Awesome! Thanks - will read though previous thread as suggested. Was feeling pretty guilty for even considering buying an HD ready model. Felt a bit silly suggesting such an outmoded dinosaurish notion to the pimple faced FHD pushing sales assistants in the 10 or so tech stores I visited this weekend. I'm sure it does make a difference, but I kinda also got the feeling that FHD capabilities were a bit oversold, specially on the kinds of entry level sets I been looking at.

@Magandroid Ja, I think the PS51D450 would positively dwarf my lounge - PS43d450 is much better size for me. But it's cool to hear ur happy with urs - image and sound quality wise they should be basically exactly the same, no? So if urs is good the PS43d450's will be too.

@SHiBBY You thus far the only one to recommend the LG... the fact that you actually own one and are happy with it says a lot. Before I staread this thread I was almost 100% convinced to go for the LG... but the PS51D450 at just under R5000 is starting to look like the most attractive option.
 
sammy plasma :love:

I dont think anyone asked you what you gonna be doing with the tv??

(thats the fav question :D )
 
@Magandroid Ja, I think the PS51D450 would positively dwarf my lounge - PS43d450 is much better size for me. But it's cool to hear ur happy with urs - image and sound quality wise they should be basically exactly the same, no? So if urs is good the PS43d450's will be too.

I have to say that I shared exactly the same concerns that you have, also about the size of the 51" in my lounge, and took all sorts of measurements, but as few have said, you'll quickly get used to the size and you purchase it for the cinema effect. And now when we watch movies at night with the lights off, I'm really glad I went with the 51".
Please note I'm not trying to convince you on which make or model to go with, as that is ultimately your decision, but I have to say that the advice from the members here had helped tremendously, as I'm a total noob about these things.
 
51D450 = R5999 at Metro Home Centre (Menlyn, Pretoria)

Hi-Fi Corp in Centurion Mall has a nice darkened viewing area with all the current Samsung / LG plasma favourites lined up next to each other ... compared the Samsung's while viewing channel 321, 201 and 171

To be honest at ± 2m distance I can't see Jack Schitt difference between HD Ready and Full HD TV's showing SD signal ... even the HD signal doesn't look significantly better on full HD and the rectangular pixels of the 1024 displays that some people like to complain about is a non-issue. Where I did notice a big difference though is with the on-screen graphics (Multichoice info bar for instance) that looks significantly better on the full HD screens. R5000 is a lot to pay for less jaggedy edges though.

Having said all that I have to confess my eyes could be little bit effed :p

Whatever you do go compare the TV's side by side before buying ...
 
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Hi-Fi Corp in Centurion Mall has a nice darkened viewing area with all the current Samsung / LG plasma favourites lined up next to each other ... compared the Samsung's while viewing channel 321, 201 and 171

To be honest at ± 2m distance I can't see Jack Schitt difference between HD Ready and Full HD TV's showing SD signal

Whatever you do go compare the TV's side by side before buying ...

Hi-Fi Corp in Centurion, cool, I will go check it out. I viewed the Samsung 43D490 and LG 42LE4500 next to each other at Dion Wired at the Grove in Pretoria - and yeah, could not see that the Full HD LG was superior to the HD ready Samsung when displaying SD images (they had them on DSTV channel 201).

To be honest - the HD ready display of the Samsung was actually much better - colours were far richer and more vivid, while the FHD colours looked almost bleached on the LG. Granted this could have to do with the individual picture setup on both screens and is something that could be corrected to a certain degree, but in the actual quality of the image I saw almost no difference.
 
Bleached (washed) out colours - yip this is usually the case when comparing low end plasma and LCD.
 
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