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fine, ask yourself this, why is blizzard not taking mango's, ascent etc to court who distribute emulation servers?
 
Negate said:
fine, ask yourself this, why is blizzard not taking mango's, ascent etc to court who distribute emulation servers?
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The fundamental difference between Battle.Net (if we were to assume you're right and the court case proves emulators are legal yadadada) and World Of Warcraft is simple.

With World Of Warcraft the client is free. There are no serials involved. Thus, by "pirating" the client Blizzard doesn't lose anything.

Games running on Battle.NET has serial keys because you actually had to buy the game/install it etc to play because they were both multiplayer and single player.

The reason Blizzard hasn't bothered sueing or shutting down these emulators is just because it KNOWS how much money and effort it takes running a server like that, and how buggy the emulators really are. So what do you think will happen?

People get fed up, sell their kidneys and then join the masses. (Which proves your "marketing" point, but seriously... stop being an idiot)

I asked you to provide a link to the court case that proved you were right and we were wrong. You didn't do so. Semaphore went out his way to quote from the court case.

How could he misquote anything? Did he leave the part out where Blizzard lost the court case? Actually I quite distinctly remember the quote including they won?

So even if the prosecutors or defenders or whatever argued a good case, Blizzard won

Hulle het gewen


kthnxbye
 
I will quote the T&C re: emulators and reverse engineering blizzard software a bit later


where is shogun? I want him to take over :D
 
Guys common, think a bit. This case took place when the client was not free, 2004. Even though blizzard made the client free, does not change the fact that the court decided emulators are not a form of copyright infringement. Period.
 
Awesome. Another laggy, empty, buggy server. Just what we need!

<_<

Also lol @ reported to SAFACT :D
 
Skurm said:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6132467.html

You site, ip, whois lookup and this thread has been logged with SAFACT and Blizzard.

Good day to you , sir.
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What a tosser. The white South African male really is an amazing creature. Arrogance, misplaced faith and self-righteousness all in one package. :rolleyes:

But it takes all kinds I guess...

*sigh*
 
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lol, we already discussed the battle net thing Skurm, try keeping up. The emulators we are talking about does not reverse engineer the game with illegal cd keys to play on battle net, huge difference.
 
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if emulators aren't illegal then why did my cousin get busted and raided when he had MAME installed on his machines at home?
 
Probably because mame is a way to play pirated copies of games. These wow emulators are based on free beta code in early test face of wow. That is why they are always bugged, because there code will never be complete.
 
:) is see another naive person is going to land in the dwang cause he believes, emulating a Blizzard server is not illegal!
 
Negate said:
lol, we already discussed the battle net thing Skurm, try keeping up. The emulators we are talking about does not reverse engineer the game with illegal cd keys to play on battle net, huge difference.
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Incorrect.

From a Blizz rep, ie the horses mouth:

Q u o t e:
i just went to youtube.com and i saw all these people lvling up to 70 in 10 seconds, and getting 66k crits..but they where all on private servers..are private servers illegal??



They are not illegal in that no municipal, state, or federal law enforcement agency will prosecute you for them. But they are against the Terms of Use. Here's where to find the TOU: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html

Here's the relevant text, in section Four A.

Q u o t e:
Only Blizzard or its licensees have the right to host the Game. You may not host or provide matchmaking services for the Game, or intercept, emulate or redirect the proprietary communication protocols used by Blizzard in connection with the Program, regardless of the method used to do so. Such prohibited methods may include, but are not limited to, protocol emulation, reverse engineering, modifying the Program, adding unauthorized components to the Program, or using a packet sniffer while the Program is running.



That part explains that you can't do what private servers are doing. This next part explains how you can't modify your game to access private servers. It's section Four B.

Q u o t e:
You agree that you will not (i) modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Program or the Service; (ii) create or use cheats, bots, "mods", and/or hacks, or any other third-party software designed to modify the World of Warcraft experience; or (iii) use any third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Program or the Service. Notwithstanding the foregoing, you may update the Program with authorized patches and updates distributed by Blizzard, and Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces.



Private servers are not only a great way to get your account banned (the changes to the game files are apparently detectable), they're also a great way to get it stolen. The operators of private servers are already cheating. What's to stop them from retaining the account name and password with which you log in to their server?
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Read it and weep.
 
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And let me highlight the relevant bit JUST IN CASE some of you missed it

Private servers are not only a great way to get your account banned (the changes to the game files are apparently detectable), they're also a great way to get it stolen. The operators of private servers are already cheating. What's to stop them from retaining the account name and password with which you log in to their server?
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Yeah. So, um, no thanks.
 
ROFL, Negate your idiocy in this thread is the stuff of legends.

You get shot down about line speed and retort with completely stupid comments about SQL, which is even more hilarious considering you're running a Mangos Emu server which requires a MySQL database to run.

You protest your intellect by stating you've gotten a server up and running. Congratulations you've learnt to Google "mangos emu tutorial for retards"

O and your server is illegal.

****off.
 
Paying attention to 'the law' is for effeminate, politacally correct pu**sies and mindless sheep.

REAL men do what they want, when they want. Everyone looooves a good villain. Admit it.

'Screw the rules - I have money'
 
LoL

Unbelievable. Negate, do you really think we will drop our characters in favor of playing on ur, quoted as by you, Incompletely Coded Emulator?

You are spamming the wrong place mate, I for one am happy to hand my money to blizz every month. I get quality gaming in return.

By insulting the peeps on this forum, you dont get many brownie points mate, and if you are the owner, or a GM in ur emulator, I get scared about how you respond to the peeps that play online.

Why the sudden urge to get more peeps online by you? Hoping someone will use the same user name and password as in a real game to.....u fill in the blanks, stop coming on so strong, peeps are allowed to make their own choices.

And yeah, thanks for posting that link, took me a while to read, and one piece, the one at the end, clearly stands out. Here let me link it for you:

If you reverse engineer for interoperability, in order to do the
same thing as another program, apparently that extends "into the
realm of copyright infringement.
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Blizzard programmed, developed and looks after their game. You have your own developers coding new patches? Or you reverse engineer Blizzards patches?

Please take your pathetic attitude somewhere else, you made no friends here
 
You guys are full of poop. What effect does it have on you if someone decides to make an emu? They do nothing in the rest of the world about these servers, and there are servers with 1500 players or more on them at any one time. Why in the world would you think South Africa and the powers that be would give a rat’s bum about any of this?

I have noticed WOW players get really silly about this, if you are happy to pay Blizzard for a complete experience and have done so for four years spending thousands of your hard earned cash then good I have no problem with you. I also have no problem with the people who create servers of their own, Warcraft runs in South Africa in the same way, I can play on there with no valid CD Key, I hope you report them, as well as Diablo 2 played on there with a copy I downloaded. Not to mention the games that happen using Hamanchi, games like C&C can be played no problem without a CD key.

This seems to not really be about your morals but rather the fact that people are pretty smart monkeys. They are not illegal; no law enforcement group in any part of the world will arrest you for hosting one. Is it against their terms and conditions? Yes it is, but it is not illegal in the eyes of any judge, proof of this can be seen in the fact that many of the very big servers in Europe and the USA have been running for 3 years or more. I think it is very important that breaking the conditions of something does not immediately make it an act that can be prosecuted. So logging a complaint is a silly thing to do as you have no leg to stand on, plus looking at a place like http://www.cybergames.co.za/ which has been around for as long as I can remember 5+ years, and who SELLS pirated goods I really and truly doubt no one gives half a crap that some company somewhere called Blizzard has some rule book on what you can and can’t do with the client. Same thing with gold sellers and many other things that will always be around, it is part of the net as are the MP3s you have, the movies you trade with eachother, and the games you "Try" before you buy. Get off your high horses.
 
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Negate you got owned now go cry in your corner or go play on your illegal, bugged, empty and f*cked up server.
 
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