New York Cop Convicted in Cannibal Plot

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Prosecutors on Monday showed a video of a screaming woman being cooked alive over an open flame and other disturbing images from websites devoted to torturing and eating women - evidence they argue proves a New York City police officer was involved in a cannibalism plot.

Officer Gilberto Valle visited web pages showing images various women, FBI computer forensics examiner Stephen Flatly testified at Valle's kidnapping conspiracy trial. "Some are dead. ... A couple of them appeared to have been strangled."

One cannibalism website allegedly visited by Valle promised customers they would "only receive the highest quality human beef." The jury also heard how the officer allegedly looked up "how to tie up a girl," "human meat recipes" and other topics.

The defense says they were part of an extreme sexual fetish fantasy that never posed a real threat. The government has conceded that Valle never met the purported Internet co-conspirators and that no women were harmed.

The FBI analysis of Valle's laptop yielded a video of a naked woman hanging over an open flame and screaming. It was not clear whether the video was real or staged.

An image of a woman roasting on a giant spit was discovered in a computer file that Valle kept on a former college friend that prosecutors have identified as a target of the alleged plot to kidnap, torture and eat women.
Prosecutors had also wanted to present even more images, including a picture of a dead body with the feet cut off - an image Valle's wife testified she saw when she went to one of his favorite sites and discovered why he stayed up late online.

But the U.S. District judge ruled they were not admissible because they were automatically stored in cache files, with no proof that Valle saw them.

Valle, 28, has been held without bail since his October arrest.

Jurors have heard testimony from Valle's estranged wife and from former classmates and other women who said they knew Valle on a casual basis and never considered him dangerous. Their testimony was followed by evidence that all of them were the subjects of emails and chats describing how they could be snatched away and eaten.
The government was to conclude its case on Monday. The defense was expected to begin its case by playing the videotaped deposition of the Russian operator of a fetish website that was frequented by Valle.

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well this is not going to go anywhere, 99% of those sites aren't real and even if they were, it would be stupid to put them up on the internet where you're traceable :p
 
Is "Cannibal Cop" Trial Targetting Thought Crimes?

The trial of New York's so-called "cannibal cop" ends Thursday, leaving the jury with lots of gruesome testimony to digest and one troubling question: at what point does fantasy become real?

Gilberto Valle, a 28-year-old New York Police Department officer, is charged with conspiracy to kidnap women that he then planned to torture to death, cook and eat.

The horrific allegations have riveted New York and on Thursday his lawyers and prosecutors were due to make closing arguments ahead of the case being handed over to the jury. If convicted, Valle could be sentenced to as much as life in prison.

What's agreed is that Valle spent endless hours researching cannibalism online and entered chat rooms on extreme fetish websites to discuss his literal hunger for young women.

The suspended officer's computer records show he wanted to know recipes for human flesh, techniques for tying people up, and instructions for using chloroform to knock-out a kidnap victim.

He also kept extensive files on women he knew, including his now estranged wife, and suggested in his Internet chats that they were suitable kidnap victims -- and human meals.

"The evidence is overwhelming," the prosecutor said.

Conspiracy charges can enter a grey area, since they refer to crimes planned, yet not committed. And in this case, where crime planning was part of a surprisingly common sexual fantasy game, the grey comes in even harder-to-read shades.

Earlier this week, a defense lawyer applied unsuccessfully to US District Judge Paul Gardephe for an on-the-spot acquittal, saying, essentially, that nothing had happened: no one was kidnapped, or eaten, or harmed in anyway.
"This is a very, very troubling case on a number of levels," defense attorney Edward Zas said.

"Mr Valle engaged in very, very ugly conversations," the attorney said, "but engaging in very ugly conversations is not what he's charged with. Yes there were words..., but the words were said in a particular context on the Internet."

That context included darkfetishnet.com, a Russian-founded site for discussion of sexual fantasies so extreme that they resemble plots for snuff films.

The site's founder, Sergey Merenkov, testified in the trial that decapitation, asphyxiation, cannibalism and necrophilia see the heaviest traffic. But all this, he insisted, is "role-play" for the site's 38,000 registered members.
Brenda Smith, a professor at American University Washington College of Law and an expert on sexual violence, said conspiracy charges tend to be "slippery."

"The fact is, unless there is some real evidence the person is ready to follow through, then you've got nothing," she told AFP. "The thing that's really hard is a lot of people have fantasies."
In the 2002 hit movie "Minority Report," law enforcement authorities are able to intervene before crimes happen, based on knowledge provided by psychics.

Smith said there is danger in the authorities targeting what the movie called "pre-crimes."

"I suspect they wanted the conspiracy charge because they're so freaked out by the fetish. I understand their thinking: that 'this was someone we were able to prevent following through,'" she said.
"But we don't have the right kind of tools to figure out where the line is."

In an online forum last month on The New York Times, Dan Emmett, a veteran of the Secret Service's presidential bodyguard, said threats are made continuously against the life of the president -- and that sorting out the real from the fake is a challenge.

"While such communications can be vile and disturbing, are they criminal acts?" he asked. "Who represents a threat, and who is merely venting frustration? What is free speech, and what is a crime?"

The Valle trial jury was handed one of the most sensational tabloid stories the Big Apple has seen in a long time. Now it faces making a decision that will get to the heart of hallowed US laws -- and society's increasingly edgy future.

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It's disturbing that this non-crime has even gone to trial. Prosecutions for thought crime are a worrying trend. It's been happening in the UK as well.
 
I know! The other day I googled "Porn baby", a term I heard on Family Guy, it's apparently a baby conceived during filming pornos, just to see if it was a real thing or something they made up and stupid google thought I was looking for child porn :wtf:

Hope the FBI weren't watching.
 
I know! The other day I googled "Porn baby", a term I heard on Family Guy, it's apparently a baby conceived during filming pornos, just to see if it was a real thing or something they made up and stupid google thought I was looking for child porn :wtf:

Hope the FBI weren't watching.

that's nothing, go to imagefap.com and type in Lolita :p
 
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My pediatrician uncle in Leeds in the UK regularly gets eggs thrown at his car and house and women shouting at him since they cannot tell the difference between a doctor and a criminal. A newspaper reported asked one group of women what they were doing, and they told her Dr Wessels was the epitomy of evil, and when the difference was pointed out to them, they said it made no difference.

Ignorance is all about us
 
My pediatrician uncle in Leeds in the UK regularly gets eggs thrown at his car and house and women shouting at him since they cannot tell the difference between a doctor and a criminal. A newspaper reported asked one group of women what they were doing, and they told her Dr Wessels was the epitomy of evil, and when the difference was pointed out to them, they said it made no difference.

Ignorance is all about us

Wut
 
My pediatrician uncle in Leeds in the UK regularly gets eggs thrown at his car and house and women shouting at him since they cannot tell the difference between a doctor and a criminal. A newspaper reported asked one group of women what they were doing, and they told her Dr Wessels was the epitomy of evil, and when the difference was pointed out to them, they said it made no difference.

Ignorance is all about us

Come again? Not sure what you are talking about?
 
Well, the crime this guy in NYC is accused of stems from the same ignorance that is manifested by people in the UK who think anybody labelled with "Pedia.." is a criminal.

It seems to me, having read the trial summary in the New York Times, that a lot of hasty, ill thought out decisions were made and the trial rushed forward to as it is put "nip this in the bud".
 
My pediatrician uncle in Leeds in the UK regularly gets eggs thrown at his car and house and women shouting at him since they cannot tell the difference between a doctor and a criminal. A newspaper reported asked one group of women what they were doing, and they told her Dr Wessels was the epitomy of evil, and when the difference was pointed out to them, they said it made no difference.

Ignorance is all about us

Hmm... So these people then hate all pediatricians because their names start with pedia?
 
Well, the crime this guy in NYC is accused of stems from the same ignorance that is manifested by people in the UK who think anybody labelled with "Pedia.." is a criminal.

It seems to me, having read the trial summary in the New York Times, that a lot of hasty, ill thought out decisions were made and the trial rushed forward to as it is put "nip this in the bud".

So these people buy pedometers to show them how far the pedophiles are and buy pedicure vouchers to help rehabilitate them? Nice one, Chris.
 
I wonder if they realise just how common this kind of cannibalism fantasy is. Search for "dolcett vore" and see what comes up...
 
I wonder if they realise just how common this kind of cannibalism fantasy is. Search for "dolcett vore" and see what comes up...

and how do you know about that sir :p
 
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