LazyLion
King of de Jungle
OK, sorry... it looks like I had the wrong end of the story here.
It was not Valle who was offering somebody else money, it was he himself who was willing to take money to perform a kidnapping.
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New York Cop Convicted in Cannibal Plot
OK, sorry... it looks like I had the wrong end of the story here.
It was not Valle who was offering somebody else money, it was he himself who was willing to take money to perform a kidnapping.
And as far as I can see he never took any money.
I do not like the way the police handled this and I believe that the legal system got it wrong.
Do I think he could be a danger? Yes.
Do I think he should be locked up because he COULD be a killer? No.
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Lol, I am sure if I had the chance to talk to you for more than an hour I would find something that makes you "weird".
The term freak is very, very subjective.
This is a toughie. Lots of people are into weird/kinky stuff and they keep it in the realm of fantasy (see most erotic fan fiction forums) and that's fine.
This is the kicker though:
This seems to point to the fact that the guy was getting ready to actually do something... maybe they should have just monitored him and nailed him during the act.
This is the kicker though:
This seems to point to the fact that the guy was getting ready to actually do something... maybe they should have just monitored him and nailed him during the act.
swazz99jhb
Well-Known Member
Makes me think of that movie with Tom Cruise and pre-cogs.
Minority report?
That is what I also thought... why the hell did the police not monitor him? get something more tangible on him.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Well, here's the situation, the guy was in the process of contracting with someone (who has also been arrested) for kidnapping somebody for a specified amount of cash.
The cops were obviously monitoring him and decided to arrest him at that point in time.
They must have done so because they beleived the case against him would be winnable, and they must have done so because they believed it was time to act to prevent any possible injury to targets.
In hind sight it appears that the cops were correct in their assessment.
The case was winnable and people were kept from harm.
Now the case against this other dude will shed more light.
But the very fact that there is another dude with whom he contracted is enough evidence for me.
And remember that the jail term he now faces is not for actual murder or kidnapping.
It is a much lesser sentence for only conspiracy to kidnap.
So he is not being punished as if he did the crime.
He is being punished because he planned the crime.
Do not take this the wrong way, but I think you should read the whole thing before you comment as it seems that you just read the five line summary.
Valle's wife ran to the police so no they were not watching / monitoring him.
According to most of what experts were saying is that it was impossible to call whether he would be found guilty or if the case would be thrown out.
Fantasy vs reality. It was a fetish website. What do you think they would talk about?
When I log into "Donkiesbeingfsckedbyseahorses.com" I am surely not going there to talk about last week's rugby game?
It was not contracted. They chatted about it. NO money was exchanged. Wtf? I have said before that I would kill Juliass Malema for R50 000. Now I have a rifle and I have been witin a range of 100m of him.... O fsck the police should come and get me....
Seriously?
:erm: You do realise he could get life? How is that a much lesser sentence?
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
His wife installed monitoring software on his computer before she left.
The police took over the monitoring after she notified the FBI.
See, I did read the article.
And yet, here we have a successful conviction.
Seems like the police were right all along.
Talking in fictional, fantasy terms is one thing. But accessing a Federal Database and then passing that information on to another interested party is a whole 'nother ball game.
They very likely would investigate to see if it was a credible threat.
Let's not forget that our friend Julius was able to get several body guards appointed to look after him at tax payer's expense, on the basis of anonymous threats alone.
It's not at all likely that he will get life, you and I both know that.
If he does, then yes, we can start debating about the injustices at that point (even though it will most likely go to appeal anyway).
Well done. Was doubting you there for a second.
And yet, here we have a successful conviction.
Seems like the police were right all along.
and OJ walked.....
The courts fsck up, you do realise that? You do know how many people were proven innocent that have been on death row... do you know just how WRONG the courts had to have been on those cases? Courts make mistakes
I do not remember reading that he passed on the info. So what? I am very sure tens of thousands op people stalk others daily.
Did he have duct tape / rope / other forms of restraining the "victim"? Did he have chloroform?
They very likely would investigate to see if it was a credible threat.
Let's not forget that our friend Julius was able to get several body guards appointed to look after him at tax payer's expense, on the basis of anonymous threats alone.
Haha
But you realise how silly this sounds? How many people have torture fetishes but do not go out and kidnap people and torture them although they talk about it on fetish sites?
It is possible and that is what I am saying, Valle might get 1 year, he might get life or anything in between. He is now ten to one going to serve jail time for talking about a fetish on a fetish site and to a fellow fetishee (?
).Like I said, do I think he could be a danger? Yes.
Do I think he should have been found guilty on the facts presented? No.
Again, imo the cops fscked up.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Well, let's wait and see if he appeals, and also what comes out in the other case with the other dude.
Haha, yes. I am sure they will appeal and I still think he should go for a psych evaluation and be punished for abusing the police data base.
Saw there are two men in the UK arrested in connection with this case. Will be interesting to see what the UK cases deliver as their legal system and laws are closer to ours than the yanks.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
CONVICTION OF NYC COP CANNIBALISM CASE OVERTURNED
A federal judge has overturned the conviction of an ex-NYPD police officer accused of plotting to kidnap, kill and eat young women.
Defense lawyer Julia Gatto says the judge ruled late Monday there was insufficient evidence to support Gilberto Valle's conviction. Valle was acquitted of kidnapping conspiracy charges. He faced life in prison.
Valle was convicted in March 2013 and hadn't yet been sentenced.
A jury concluded he wasn't just fantasizing when he conversed online with others he had never met about killing and cooking his wife and others in a cannibalism plot.
Gatto says the judge's "decision validates what we have said since the beginning: there was no crime."
Prosecutors argued Valle took steps to carry out his plot, including finding people on a restricted law enforcement database.
Source : Sapa-AP /nsm
Date : 01 Jul 2014 13:55
A federal judge has overturned the conviction of an ex-NYPD police officer accused of plotting to kidnap, kill and eat young women.
Defense lawyer Julia Gatto says the judge ruled late Monday there was insufficient evidence to support Gilberto Valle's conviction. Valle was acquitted of kidnapping conspiracy charges. He faced life in prison.
Valle was convicted in March 2013 and hadn't yet been sentenced.
A jury concluded he wasn't just fantasizing when he conversed online with others he had never met about killing and cooking his wife and others in a cannibalism plot.
Gatto says the judge's "decision validates what we have said since the beginning: there was no crime."
Prosecutors argued Valle took steps to carry out his plot, including finding people on a restricted law enforcement database.
Source : Sapa-AP /nsm
Date : 01 Jul 2014 13:55
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
NEW YORK 'CANNIBAL COP' SENTENCED TO TIME SERVED
A former New York policeman who had a conviction for plotting to abduct and eat women overturned was sentenced to time served Wednesday on a related charge.
Dubbed the "cannibal cop," 30-year-old Gilberto Valle became a tabloid sensation when his 2013 trial exposing the strange world of cannibal fantasists gripped New York.
A jury found Valle guilty and he faced life in prison, but he walked free from jail earlier this year after a judge overturned his conviction based on a lack of evidence of intent to commit the crime.
"I really want to say I am sorry -- it was not a crime but it was wrong," Valle said outside court after he was sentenced to the 21 months in jail he had already served and one year probation on a minor charge of misusing police resources to search for women in his fantasies.
He added: "My legacy will not be the story of the cannibal cop."
Valle's high-profile trial last year included lurid details of how he sought advice from others in the online "death-porn" community over how to kidnap, kill and eat his wife and friends.
Source : Sapa-AFP /mm
Date : 13 Nov 2014 02:22
A former New York policeman who had a conviction for plotting to abduct and eat women overturned was sentenced to time served Wednesday on a related charge.
Dubbed the "cannibal cop," 30-year-old Gilberto Valle became a tabloid sensation when his 2013 trial exposing the strange world of cannibal fantasists gripped New York.
A jury found Valle guilty and he faced life in prison, but he walked free from jail earlier this year after a judge overturned his conviction based on a lack of evidence of intent to commit the crime.
"I really want to say I am sorry -- it was not a crime but it was wrong," Valle said outside court after he was sentenced to the 21 months in jail he had already served and one year probation on a minor charge of misusing police resources to search for women in his fantasies.
He added: "My legacy will not be the story of the cannibal cop."
Valle's high-profile trial last year included lurid details of how he sought advice from others in the online "death-porn" community over how to kidnap, kill and eat his wife and friends.
Source : Sapa-AFP /mm
Date : 13 Nov 2014 02:22
:erm:
So can you still call it beef if it's from a human?
Not halal or kosher though but Hindus can eat this variety!
Grant
Honorary Master
:erm:
So can you still call it beef if it's from a human?
and all this time i thought we tasted like chicken
