Nokia battles with weak handset sales

shogun said:
Either way you cut it, you wouldn't be sitting here asking Nokia to make an android Lumia if it wasn't for MS.
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True, the minions of MS certified developers and engineers would have dropped the brand years ago. If Nokia had eaten some humble pie and begged Google they might be ranked up with Samsung etc in the smartphone market.
 
Viva said:
About that he was right. Fight to survive, that is. I wonder how long it will be before Elop has to fight for his job?
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The reason i'm quite behind this guy is that putting myself in his shoes, i'd find myself making the same decision. Do you think he's fighting for his job? He's fighting for a hell of a lot more than that... if it was just a job he'd have packed it in a long time ago and taken is cash away from the sinking ship. When someone sticks around while abuse is being hurled at them, they either don't care, or they really really care. I think it's the latter. He's done the opposite of run away and made tough decisions that were unpopular, because they are for the good of the company. I think he made the right call. The really big c0ck ups were made before he joined... i.e. not making decent smart phones sooner.
 
shogun said:
Was reading it online: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_24/b4232056703101.htm

"He tried to negotiate a deal with Google to run Android, but Google refused to give the world's biggest phonemaker any advantages over its smaller partners, meaning Nokia's corps of 11,600 engineers would have next to no ability to add their own innovations to Google's software. "It just didn't feel right," Elop says to the crowd. "We'd be just another company distributing Android. That's not Nokia! We need to fight!""
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I don't understand, Samsung achieved this? Look at all the innovation on the S4 - maybe not all of it useful, but it's there!
 
shogun said:
Was reading it online: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_24/b4232056703101.htm

"He tried to negotiate a deal with Google to run Android, but Google refused to give the world's biggest phonemaker any advantages over its smaller partners, meaning Nokia's corps of 11,600 engineers would have next to no ability to add their own innovations to Google's software. "It just didn't feel right," Elop says to the crowd. "We'd be just another company distributing Android. That's not Nokia! We need to fight!""
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That makes no sense at all, Any manufacturer is free to add any software they want to android, the exact opposite of WP8 where they aren't even allowed to change the skin. Elop talks such bull**** but then again he came from MS.
 
Mouse said:
So how about some Android phones now? No? Carry on failing then.
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Users don't need Android, they need a 73 Gigapixel camera.
Samsung tried out Android and look where that got them, huh? They failed miserably, and Nokia should definitely not take that route.

Nokia is going to make a huge comeback with their latest camera phones!
Unless if Canon add calling capabilities to their cameras, then Nokia will be screwed of course.
 
Keeper said:
Users don't need Android, they need a 73 Gigapixel camera.
Samsung tried out Android and look where that got them, huh? They failed miserably, and Nokia should definitely not take that route.

Nokia is going to make a huge comeback with their latest camera phones!
Unless if Canon add calling capabilities to their cameras, then Nokia will be screwed of course.
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Would you like some ketchup with your sarcasm sir? :thumbup:
 
Like I said, i'm clearly in the minority in this thread. But i'll just keep on going with my awesome Lumia and WP8, and you can all keep your awesome S4's with Android. Nokia has made up their mind, and I can at least understand and appreciate their position. If they had to jump ship now everyone would immediately jump up and say... look they're just another Android manufacturer.

Funny thing is, I actually like Android quite a lot. But to say that it's the only way forward is very short sighted. WP8 is proving to be an excellent OS, and the only thing you can really fault it on so far is that it came so late to the game, and its "limited" app market (didn't see people complaining about how limited the Android market or Apple App Stores were when they had 160 000 apps). For the rest of it though, it's doing a really good job requiring far less resources than Android. Had they pulled WP8 out of the bag in 2008, things would be looking very different and people would be all over it.
 
Nduimiso said:
That makes no sense at all, Any manufacturer is free to add any software they want to android, the exact opposite of WP8 where they aren't even allowed to change the skin. Elop talks such bull**** but then again he came from MS.
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Didn't say it made sense, but we weren't at the bargaining table, so we don't know what was discussed. If Eric Schmit comes out and refutes that, then we can all call Elop a muppet together.
 
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