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Nokia: Going (Micro) soft
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Valis
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Hell no. World's biggest software company, yes. Greatest? Not a chance.
elvis_presley
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Haha yeah indeed - 10 years ago, Windows ME had just been released, they had just had the crap beaten out of them by the government lawyers, and were seen as the epitome of evil. They're a far better company today, and far more respected than they were back then. Even if they are #2 IT company in market cap (Still #1 in profit, though)
ThirdBorn
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i personally neva used or liked Nokia b4,bcause of OS issue.mybe will try one tis time.Win7 has some interesting features.full web browser
JerryMungo
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Lol Matsepane... you are joking right?
I never used Windoze cos of the OS being so rubbish...
I preferred Symbian from the app point of view but neither touch Android today IMO... where to now? I'm going back to Android or BB as soon as my contract expires.
I never used Windoze cos of the OS being so rubbish...
I preferred Symbian from the app point of view but neither touch Android today IMO... where to now? I'm going back to Android or BB as soon as my contract expires.
Joe Average
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Alastair, you make it sound as if you are worried they might succeed, and leave you with egg on your face ?
I would definitely not write WP7 off.
I would definitely not write WP7 off.
BravoDrie
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Yip, I got my HTC Mozart yesterday with WP7 and love it... People (like the author)just hate MS out of principle, or because it's the cool thing to do...
Seems like it, yes. I don't hate MS, Windows 7 (The real one), is probably the best OS ever released for desktop PC's. Windows Phone 7 in it's current form stinks out loud though, for the same reason the iApple's iOs'es iSuck so much, they look very pretty & modern but lack basic functionality, and can't be adapted for lower-cost devices like say Android, Symbian or the old Windows Mobile 6. Microsoft aren't that stupid though, and I think especially with this new partnership with Nokia, they are going to vastly improve the OS over time, unlike a certain other company who just leaves crucial smartphone funtions out and try to convince people it's better that way.
Hate, up there with money and oil, makes the world go round... You can say what you want but MS revolutionised the computer...
Unfortunately Apple gets the trophy for the smartphone. Nokia what are you doing? You might not be able to run IOS but surely Android is a much better option! At the very least keep an open mind...
elvis_presley
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Actually hating MS is so 3 years ago. It's okay to like them now. X360, WM7, Win7, Office2010, Win2k8 - all great products in their own right, no real reason to hate them. A general hatred toward MS in this day and age, just shows that you haven't kept up with what's going on in the computer world.
elvis_presley
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Elop said in that Engadget interview that it was a priority to make a "WP7 Lite" to displace Symbian on their lower end devices, they want no trace of Symbian left in Nokia. Let's hope they pull it off, and don't go the Apple route where every release of iOS makes 1- and 2- year old devices almost useless cos it slows them down so much.
I think this just article harps on the worst case scenario without bothering to analyse both sides of the issue. The negatives are there for all to see but what about the positives? Mobile is all about vertical integration at the moment and Nokia had the hardware but the development platform was fragmented and they got left behind by the apple while MS's hardware failures are often harped on, they do have an army of C# devs who could churn out tons of apps in a short time and if they can both execute to their strengths the next two years could get very interesting.
No. I do not hate MS out of principle. I use MS products legally on my desktop at home. However, I dislike arbitrary restrictions. And this applies to both the Apple and MS app stores.
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/i...e-from-Windows-Phone-Marketplace-1191524.html
Apple did the same thing. If you want to run software that's not approved first on a iOS or WP7 device, you can't. Make a competing product to a core app? No approval. MS has a history of predatory monopolistic practices (they were convicted of this in a court of law). Will they use this to exclude potential software competitors from the app store? Judging by their history, yes. And judging by their immediate stance on the GPL, yes.
Yes, you can jailbreak your phone. Yes, this voids your warranty. Not the route I want to go.
Avenue
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there is more reason to hate microsoft today than ever before- they are completely unethical in their dealings with other companies.
As soon as a new product gains ground, they come up with some phony charge without any merit, that would never stand up in court. They dont pursue the charge, only mention that the infringement exists, thereby frightening off investors/big business- after all who wants to invest in something that may be shut down just after you implement it.
they throw their weight and money around, stifling creativity in the software market. Thats what they did with netscape back in the day and thats what they are continuing to do today.
they have prohibited open source software running on Windows Phone 7 from being sold at its apps store.
the way they operate is the reason I switched to ubuntu and is the reason I will only use android.
ThirdBorn
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my 1st Win phone was Htc Tytyn II sporting Win 6.0 prof.i loved windows OS since then.iam still clued to Windows phones.in 2009 i tried another Sony Ericson with Symbian,it couldn't even even accept Google Maps at that time.so i didn't bother to go for Symbian again.
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LazyLion
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I'm actually excited to see what they come up with and willing to wait and give them a chance. No sense in predicting doom for something that you know nothing about (the future).
TofuMofu
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That is 100% true.
I for one will support the Nokia and Microsoft marriage. I currently have the Nokia N8 which runs Symbian 3 and it is awesome, but if I could, I would love to have WP7 on it instead just for a little something "new".
I am a Nokia fan and I will only judge on their failures if I've experienced it myself. The author is stabbing in the dark here.
elvis_presley
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Again, you're mistaking the MS of today with the MS of a few years ago. Legally speaking, MS is very ethical nowdays - probably not out of choice, but everyone is so carefully watching their every move, they can't put a foot wrong else everyone jumps down their throat and EU sues them so they have to try extra double hard at being nice.
You're thinking about Google, that's their tactics nowdays.
That's a big fat red herring, which is why most the industry commentators didnt pick up on it. It's only restrictive licenses like the GPL3, and it's the GPL3 that's broken. Always has been. Awful license. GPL3 places enourmous responsibility on the software distributor ... for MS to allow GPL3-derived apps on their app store, they'd have to personally verify each submitted app didn't have GPL3 derived code in it, and if it did, Microsoft (not the software's author) would need to provide a system whereby it held the source code of the binary for people to download. And then if anything went wrong or someone got around it, Microsoft (not the software author) would be sued.
Non-restrictive licenses like BSD, Apache are fine for Windows/Apple store.