Nokia Tablet/s: Dates, Specs, Strategy...

[nivek]

On paper perhaps, the truth is the x86 tablets aren't doing well, even with the price drops. I would rather get a decent notebook than an x86 tablet as it seems the same level of performance can't be reached in tablet form.

Not yet, but I took your advice from a few months back and am waiting it out

 

[Mouse]

I dont know about you but barely any of the business tools I use have Android versions

When did "useful" become synonymous with "business tools" ?

My point is, these so called "toys" are in fact useful for a lot of people in a variety of ways that your traditional "business tool" device cant easily match.

some examples:

navigation: I use co pilot on my android phone to find my way around jhb (I'm from dbn)
e-book reader: the same phone listed above is what I use to read books (such as when I'm sitting in a queue at the doctor)
web browsing/email: same phone yet again, and when browsing sites that can pick up my location, the site can then provide location based services where previously you had to enter an address to search, such as here

Notice that all of the above should work equally well on iPhone, Android or WP (only problem here is the app situation on WP), so I would like to know, what is it about WP and/or Nokia devices that makes it relegate the competition to "toys" ?

 

[McCrazieGoalz]

When did "useful" become synonymous with "business tools" ?

My point is, these so called "toys" are in fact useful for a lot of people in a variety of ways that your traditional "business tool" device cant easily match.

some examples:

navigation: I use co pilot on my android phone to find my way around jhb (I'm from dbn)
e-book reader: the same phone listed above is what I use to read books (such as when I'm sitting in a queue at the doctor)
web browsing/email: same phone yet again, and when browsing sites that can pick up my location, the site can then provide location based services where previously you had to enter an address to search, such as here

Notice that all of the above should work equally well on iPhone, Android or WP (only problem here is the app situation on WP), so I would like to know, what is it about WP and/or Nokia devices that makes it relegate the competition to "toys" ?

Now, I'm not sure you seriously want me to answer your question.

The answers are pretty obvious.

Just because people are unexposed to Windows tablets doesn't mean that they will not sell. The question is simply - when?

To answer your question:
- The app situation you speak of is overly tauted by iOS and Android users as one of those OS's unique selling point, but the truth is, it is an over emphasised advantage. Windows 8 actually has more apps than iOS and Android. Yes, you heard me right. Windows 8 can take up virtually any app that has been used on PC in the entire history of PCs. Here I am not talking about fart apps or other silly bits of software. I am refering to Adobe PhotoShop, PowerPoint, Office suites etcetera. Over 4million and counting. And these are productivity apps. Not for making farting noises.
- Camera. Yep, that is one of the most widely used apps on the smartphone and Nokia is the King. 41MP baby. Other Nokia devices will come with 28, 20, 14MP etc with ProCam and other superior enhancements
- You spoke of navigation. We all know that Android doesn't come with preinstalled offline navigation. Again, this is Nokia's turf. When you said Here, I thought you were refering to Here maps. You know they are the best smartphone maps right?
- E-Book readers are plenty in the Windows ecosystem
- Nevertheless, the most compleing proposition of Windows 8 is the fact that everyone has used and is still using MS Office Suite and many other productivity apps that are used on PC (which can be used on Win8 and not on iOS or Android - those 4million I spoke about). While it doesn't make too much sense on smartphones, it sure makes a lot more sense on tablets, particularly the 10"+ variety. This makes particular sense in relation to my argument because the reason why only 1.9million tablets were sold in India in 2012 is because there is no compeling reason to buy them. Predictions are that by 2015/16, India would be buying 7.8million of them each year. Now, I'd like to think of Indians as very sensible people (not only because of their high affinity for Nokia products) but because they too see that it doesn't make sense to buy tablets without productivity apps. The American's, well. We all know how wonky their reasoning can be. iOS and Android surely makes sense to them. Thank goodness they are not the rest of the world (although they do influence many other people's thinking - and the illusion they created is that iOS and Android tablets are worthwhile).

With tablets only starting to gain traction now, I see productivity tablets being the way forward. They are not trendy at the moment, but I see sensibility (functionality i.e. productivity) prevailing over the invidious consumption tag that is currently underlines tablet sales at the moment. No one buys tablets as productivity devices just yet. 1. Because there aren't proper productivity tablets readiliy available yet (i.e. at the right prices and at every gadget store) and 2. They (productivity tablets - i.e. Windows tablets) are currently being trumped by how fashionable the current varieties of the more widely available ones (Android and iOS) are.

That will soon change as Windows devices are made more and more popular (not necessarily fashionable, but more logical/functional) by Nokia. The low end of the market is where the new mobile computing paradigm's sweet spot is - as illustrated by the Lumia 520's current success. The logic here being that if money is a bit tight, you'd definately want your money to go further than just surfing the internet and playing with fart apps.

 

[Mouse]

Now, I'm not sure you seriously want me to answer your question.

Yes, I am serious.

The answers are pretty obvious.

No they're not, otherwise I wouldn't be asking.

To answer your question:

<lengthy marketing response>

You haven't actually answered the questions.
Here they are again, in case you get confused:

When did "useful" become synonymous with "business tools" ?

What is it about WP and/or Nokia devices that makes it relegate the competition to "toys" ?

 

[Fudzy]

To answer your question:
- The app situation you speak of is overly tauted by iOS and Android users as one of those OS's unique selling point, but the truth is, it is an over emphasised advantage. Windows 8 actually has more apps than iOS and Android. Yes, you heard me right. Windows 8 can take up virtually any app that has been used on PC in the entire history of PCs. Here I am not talking about fart apps or other silly bits of software. I am refering to Adobe PhotoShop, PowerPoint, Office suites etcetera. Over 4million and counting. And these are productivity apps. Not for making farting noises.

That's IF Nokia create a x86 version. Until then you are stuck with the crappy MicrosoftRT store selection of fart apps.

- Camera. Yep, that is one of the most widely used apps on the smartphone and Nokia is the King. 41MP baby. Other Nokia devices will come with 28, 20, 14MP etc with ProCam and other superior enhancements

Nobody wants to be that guy taking photos with a tablet. Phone, yes. Tablet, no.

- You spoke of navigation. We all know that Android doesn't come with preinstalled offline navigation. Again, this is Nokia's turf. When you said Here, I thought you were refering to Here maps. You know they are the best smartphone maps right?

Nokia's navigation software is good, I've never used it though.

- Nevertheless, the most compleing proposition of Windows 8 is the fact that everyone has used and is still using MS Office Suite and many other productivity apps that are used on PC (which can be used on Win8 and not on iOS or Android - those 4million I spoke about).

Well Office is already on iOS and it's on Android, just not in tablet form... yet.

This makes particular sense in relation to my argument because the reason why only 1.9million tablets were sold in India in 2012 is because there is no compeling reason to buy them. Predictions are that by 2015/16, India would be buying 7.8million of them each year. Now, I'd like to think of Indians as very sensible people (not only because of their high affinity for Nokia products) but because they too see that it doesn't make sense to buy tablets without productivity apps. The American's, well. We all know how wonky their reasoning can be. iOS and Android surely makes sense to them. Thank goodness they are not the rest of the world (although they do influence many other people's thinking - and the illusion they created is that iOS and Android tablets are worthwhile).

India seems to be the only place that is seeing positive sales for MS's Mobile division.

With tablets only starting to gain traction now, I see productivity tablets being the way forward. They are not trendy at the moment, but I see sensibility (functionality i.e. productivity) prevailing over the invidious consumption tag that is currently underlines tablet sales at the moment. No one buys tablets as productivity devices just yet. 1. Because there aren't proper productivity tablets readiliy available yet (i.e. at the right prices and at every gadget store) and 2. They (productivity tablets - i.e. Windows tablets) are currently being trumped by how fashionable the current varieties of the more widely available ones (Android and iOS) are.

That's based on your opinion, isn't it?

That will soon change as Windows devices are made more and more popular (not necessarily fashionable, but more logical/functional) by Nokia. The low end of the market is where the new mobile computing paradigm's sweet spot is - as illustrated by the Lumia 520's current success. The logic here being that if money is a bit tight, you'd definately want your money to go further than just surfing the internet and playing with fart apps.

The 520 is the best selling WP8 phone agreed, but it's still less than 4% of the market.