Nokia working on two new MeeGo devices?

Interesting, article don't mention that there currently is already 2 Meego devices, being the N9 and the N950 although I understand the N950 was a limited release.
 
It looks like Nokia has a fetish for dying OS's. First Symbian, now MeeGo. Why don't they learn from the past and spend their time on building a solid unified product lineup?
 
Viva said:
It looks like Nokia has a fetish for dying OS's. First Symbian, now MeeGo. Why don't they learn from the past and spend their time on building a solid unified product lineup?
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Symbian is pretty damn strong in the low end phone market and probably will be for a while still. Meego looks like a really awesome platform, better than Android in fact. Check the project out before you jump to conclusions about it.
 
Seriously Nokia... If you want an alternative to Windows, GO FKIN ANDROID.
 
Bern said:
Symbian is pretty damn strong in the low end phone market and probably will be for a while still. Meego looks like a really awesome platform, better than Android in fact. Check the project out before you jump to conclusions about it.
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Not jumping to any conclusions. My point is simple: It is beneficial for phone-makers to build their product lineup around a single (strong) platform. Nokia recently chose Windows Phone (7.5) for this purpose. Why would they now spend time and resources on a different project? Whether or not Meego "looks like an awesome platform" is irrelevant. And you can't dispute the fact that Symbian is on it's way out. My comment is about Nokia's focus. They lacked focus in the past, and the Windows Phone platform promised to correct this. This news about Meego doesn't really fit into this picture.
 
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Viva said:
Not jumping to any conclusions. My point is simple: It is beneficial for phone-makers to build their product lineup around a single (strong) platform. Nokia recently chose Windows Phone (7.5) for this purpose. Why would they now spend time and resources on a different project? Whether or not Meego "looks like an awesome platform" is irrelevant. And you can't dispute the fact that Symbian is on it's way out. My comment is about Nokia's focus. They lacked focus in the past, and the Windows Phone platform promised to correct this. This news about Meego doesn't really fit into this picture.
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Maybe i am just a bit cynical about Google's intentions with Android, I really want a truly open OS for phones that is widely adopted:(
 
Viva said:
Not jumping to any conclusions. My point is simple: It is beneficial for phone-makers to build their product lineup around a single (strong) platform. Nokia recently chose Windows Phone (7.5) for this purpose. Why would they now spend time and resources on a different project? Whether or not Meego "looks like an awesome platform" is irrelevant. And you can't dispute the fact that Symbian is on it's way out. My comment is about Nokia's focus. They lacked focus in the past, and the Windows Phone platform promised to correct this. This news about Meego doesn't really fit into this picture.
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They are focusing on Windows Phone for their smartphone range. Neither Windows Phone, nor Android, is suitable for their low end - dumb phones. Both could probably be made to work on low end phones but it would be a compromise as this is not what they are designed for.
 
joelus said:
They are focusing on Windows Phone for their smartphone range. Neither Windows Phone, nor Android, is suitable for their low end - dumb phones. Both could probably be made to work on low end phones but it would be a compromise as this is not what they are designed for.
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Agreed. This is exactly what baffles me:

Nokia is reportedly working on two new smartphone devices that will make use of the previously abandoned MeeGo system....Nokia released just one MeeGo-based smartphone, the N9, before dropping MeeGo in favour of Windows Phone.
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They're not working on Meego for their low-end dumbphones. I just think it's a fair criticism to say that Nokia seems to have trouble focusing. I do not pretend to know all the details of their business, but it seems they don't really learn from past mistakes. They're regularly giving attention to projects that, by the looks of things, will never succeed.
 
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Huh!!!!!

I though Meego was dead?

Did it not merge with Tizen some time last year, together with Bada?
 
Bern said:
Maybe i am just a bit cynical about Google's intentions with Android, I really want a truly open OS for phones that is widely adopted:(
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I agree - I like the idea of a truly open OS for phones.

Google's intention is to make money from selling ads on mobile platforms, that being Android, iOS and other platforms. I have no issue with this as I understand that they are a business - they need to make money. The advantage of having Google to develop Android is obvious - they have the financial means to make it a sustainable success and to develop a high quality product at the same time. This is the issue with more open initiatives, I would say: They struggle to reach and sustain the same pace of development. Android is a pretty good compromise in the bigger scheme of things, I would say.
 
Viva said:
Agreed. This is exactly what baffles me:



They're not working on Meego for their low-end dumbphones. I just think it's a fair criticism to say that Nokia seems to have trouble focusing. I do not pretend to know all the details of their business, but it seems they don't really learn from past mistakes. They're regularly giving attention to projects that, by the looks of things, will never succeed.
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Well they are entry level smartphones, so they need to be cheap, run on cheaper hardware and should not have cover the cost of licensing fees which are currently paid to MS. The idea is to bring the internet to a billion people who currently don't have access to it in many third-world countries (look up Nokia's Next Billion Group project). To achieve this they require a free operating system - which Windows Phone isn't.
 
https://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/whats-next-meego

What's Next for MeeGo

By now, you may have read that The Linux Foundation, with the support of several other companies, announced a new project, Tizen, to build a new operating system for devices. This new project is first and foremost open source, and based on Linux. So it begs the question: why not just evolve MeeGo? We believe the future belongs to HTML5-based applications, outside of a relatively small percentage of apps, and we are firmly convinced that our investment needs to shift toward HTML5. Shifting to HTML5 doesn't just mean slapping a web runtime on an existing Linux, even one aimed at mobile, as MeeGo has been. Emphasizing HTML5 means that APIs not visible to HTML5 programmers need not be as rigid, and can evolve with platform technology and can vary by market segment.

Granted, this is a judgment on our part on which reasonable people could disagree, but that's the conclusion I came to.

But in the new project, a lot of things will be the same as they were in the MeeGo project. The Tizen project will reside within the Linux Foundation, will be governed by a Technical Steering Group, and will be developed openly with familiar and improved infrastructure. Much like MeeGo, the Tizen project will support multiple device categories, including Tablets, Netbooks, Handsets, Smart TV, and In-Vehicle Infotainment systems.

Over the next couple of months, we will be working very hard to make sure that users of MeeGo can easily transition to Tizen, and I will be working even harder to make sure that developers of MeeGo can also transition to Tizen.

I want to personally thank everyone who has participated in MeeGo over the past year and a half, and I encourage you to join us at Tizen.org. We hope to use what we learned from the MeeGo project to make Tizen successful, and I hope to see you participating in Tizen!
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http://www.xda-developers.com/feature/samsung-to-merge-bada-os-with-meego-successor-tizen/

Samsung To Merge Bada OS With MeeGo-Successor Tizen

According to a Forbes report, Samsung will merge and open source its own Bada OS into the Intel-backed Tizen, which in itself was more or less a continuation of Nokia’s abandoned MeeGo, which in itself was basically a combination of the former Intel Moblin and Nokia Maemo projects; both were based on a Linux core.

However, compared to the aforementioned operating systems, most of which never materialized into any meaningful products (with the MeeGo-based Nokia N9 being one notable exception), Samsung’s Bada has enjoyed some moderate success and is installed on 2% of all smartphones worldwide, even more than Microsoft’s Windows Phone 7. Of course, this is mostly due to the lower cost of Bada devices, which Samsung has been positioning between smartphones using Android or Windows Phone and low-end feature phones.

Upon merging, existing applications written for Bada will continue to work with the new Tizen, and both Bada and Tizen developers will receive the same set of new SDKs with unified APIs. But apart from backwards-compatibility for apps, it’s not known yet whether existing hardware – Bada devices from the Samsung Wave series – will be compatible with Tizen going forward, or if they’ll be stuck with their old Bada versions.

In whatever case, this move certainly signifies Samsung’s desire to keep a homegrown smartphone OS around in order to be less dependent on Google’s Android or Microsoft’s Windows Phone, with both platforms having their own “preferred partners”. Google bought Motorola last year to become a manufacturer of Android devices itself, while Nokia is Microsoft’s privileged partner and has more rights to software modifications than other Windows Phone OEMs.
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joelus said:
Well they are entry level smartphones, so they need to be cheap, run on cheaper hardware and should not have cover the cost of licensing fees which are currently paid to MS. The idea is to bring the internet to a billion people who currently don't have access to it in many third-world countries (look up Nokia's Next Billion Group project). To achieve this they require a free operating system - which Windows Phone isn't.
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Aiming Meego at entry-level smartphones might be an explanation. It might also be that they would like the security of an independant OS, and not being completely dependant on Windows Phone.

I do not believe that the motivation behind these entry-level smartphones is to bring the internet to the masses. Nokia is a business and as such their motivation is to make money. If Meego is indeed aimed at this market segment, they do this because they believe there is money to be made.
 
Viva said:
Aiming Meego at entry-level smartphones might be an explanation. It might also be that they would like the security of an independant OS, and not being completely dependant on Windows Phone.

I do not believe that the motivation behind these entry-level smartphones is to bring the internet to the masses. Nokia is a business and as such their motivation is to make money. If Meego is indeed aimed at this market segment, they do this because they believe there is money to be made.
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Of course their motivation is to make money, no one is disputing that. They want to capture the market of all those (billions) in third world countries who cannot currently afford to access the internet via smart phones by producing cheap entry level phones (which Windows phone OS is not suited for).
 
Meego no more, viva Tizen? Thanks Elimentals for pointing that out, I haven't followed the project for a while since it wasn't usable yet.

It does make sense that Nokia decide on a platform for their lower end phones if Symbian is not going to be continued such as Meego/Tizen as this would allow for a better future with more control than Android I would suspect. Then again I am not a developer, so a bit out of my depth on the subject.

But, if you look at what Ubuntu is doing with Android you can kind of see how Tizen (Meego) is an attractive option to Nokia (also see the other plans for Tizen re tablets, STBs, televisions and so forth).
 
Sounds like Nokia is between a rock and a hard place.

One the one hand, Microsoft gave them a crapload of money to embrace Windows Phone, so rumours of the Android OS resurfacing, will make people uncomfortable in Redmond, Washington.

On the other hand, Windows Phone development is extremely slow, only a few devices are supported (and always fall behind the latest and greatest handsets) and Nokia can't be happy about it, since they are now only a hardware manufacturer.

Tough choices for the hero-to-zero, who once infamously said : "Using an Android phone is like peeing in your pants for warmth".
 
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Seriously, that'll kill the company stone dead. Android provides no differentiation, so they'd compete only on hardware, and the SE Asians will out-produce and out-price them.
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SonyEriccson, HTC, Huawei, ZTE, Motorola, etc. are all just hardware manufacturers - and they are doing ok?
 
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