Nqakula does something right!

[Reason]

Because the national police commissioner, is to cheap to buy his own damn car despite earning a million plus bucks a year. That is R80,000 plus a month.

I wish an investigative journalist would do a story on where that 4x4 came from. E.g. who did it belong to, and why was it confiscated, and was it actually involved in a crime which led to a conviction.

We probably do have enough police, it is just that they are probably not good enough, and the public prosecutors aren't good enough. Notice how low the conviction rate is, notice how many violent criminals that are apprehended are out on bail for previous crimes etc.

In short, too much incompetence and it comes from the top down. Government as it is today is a product of the rationalist enlightenment and trying to run it on magical thinking is just a way to ruin it.

 

[Syndyre]

He SAYS a lot of things, but like most politicians fail to act on it.

As the saying goes, words are cheap.

True, but at least what he's saying makes sense now, better than making strange statements about racism and the world cup!

 

[kingrob]

I think the Police will become the ultimate gangsters with the new 'license to kill' handed to them by ol' Charlie.

 

[Angelo]

Yes, and so do serious allegations about our police commissioner's involvement with crime figures.

The problem is, we don't know yet which is which.

Yes it's worrying but what about this: "Scotland Yard clears Selebi"

 

[Syndyre]

Yes it's worrying but what about this: "Scotland Yard clears Selebi"

The letter was dated February 2005 though, a lot might have changed since then!

 

[chiskop]

Yes it's worrying but what about this: "Scotland Yard clears Selebi"

Yes that's interesting, but how about we have some kind of investigation into some of the allegations? We've had commissions of inquiry for far less.

(The letter, btw, is not dated Feb 2005, that was a different letter from the ICD refering to an earlier investigation.)

Anyway, another day another set of allegations.

 

[BobJones]

I think a lot is being lost on the context here...
I see a concerted effort by the police to send a message to the holiday hijack and robbery gangs that if they are going to commit violent crime they can expect to get shot.

Am I the only person seeing a lot news stories featuring graphic pictures of dead robbers lying in the streets recently? The accompanying text is usually something along the lines of cops 3: crims 0, (5 arrested, 2 escaped).

I think that the campaign will work as a deterent - but granted there are a lot of other issues that still need to be addressed.

 

[BobJones]

Anyway, another day another set of allegations.

I'm not sure that the Scorpions are wrong about trying stop these stories... There appears to be some truth about leaks being made by dirty insiders with the aim of compromising a successful prosecution in the case.

 

[mancombseepgood]

I heard on Special Assignment or one of those programs that if 300 grand was spent a night on the police beat (salaries, equipment, etc. - picture what 300 grand a night will buy), we can save around a million bucks a day on rehab costs for violent crime victims - based on the fact that the average assault case that comes into JHB general (for example) costs the state around 300 grand total per person to rehabilitate them.

Pay cops a decent salary for one, and filter out the monkeys at the hiring stage. Before anyone flames me, I know there are some really good cops out there - but as they say - if you pay peanuts...
How many of you know good cops that have left the force to pursue other career options to feed their families?

 

[-toady-]

*Am I the only person seeing a lot news stories featuring graphic pictures of dead robbers lying in the streets recently? The accompanying text is usually something along the lines of cops 3: crims 0, (5 arrested, 2 escaped).*

Ja, now you mention it... some horrifying pics and may well be for the reason you suggest.

toady

 

[IanC]

Well Nqakula only said they must use maximum force when dealing with violent criminals if their lives or the lives of the public are in danger

To the best of my knowledge police forces across the world use the dictum of minumum force (LAPD excepted). Which thumb did Charles "Rape victims are whingers" Nqakula suck this particular dictum from?

What I would like to know is where did the bullet that wounded the innocent bystander came from? Even if the bullet didn't originate from a police weapon, was it caused by police looking to "take on" the criminals?

Bottom line: If the protection of the public isn't paramount to the police, then their usefulness is at an end.

 

[xtermin8or]

What I meant, was while it may seem that there is a major shift in policy, there is not, i have heard the Ministers of Safety and Security and Correctional Services saying on more than one occasion that if their lives or staff or public are in danger, they must shoot to kill, it is maybe just that the media do not report on these statements. Maybe that is why there is confusion in the Police Force

Remember - it is not your brightest students who leave school and join the Police ( or even become reservists or sell insurance )

 

[DigitalSoldier]

What I meant, was while it may seem that there is a major shift in policy, there is not, i have heard the Ministers of Safety and Security and Correctional Services saying on more than one occasion that if their lives or staff or public are in danger, they must shoot to kill, it is maybe just that the media do not report on these statements. Maybe that is why there is confusion in the Police Force

Remember - it is not your brightest students who leave school and join the Police ( or even become reservists or sell insurance )

Sounds like ur hinting at JontyB

Anywayz there are different types of reservists and as far as I know some of the brightest people are part of the reservist teams. I think its the reservist group C where all the lawyers and accountants help the police out.

But I know which group you are talking about but even though they might not be the smartest they are still doing something

 

[Syndyre]

Sounds like ur hinting at JontyB

Anywayz there are different types of reservists and as far as I know some of the brightest people are part of the reservist teams. I think its the reservist group C where all the lawyers and accountants help the police out.

But I know which group you are talking about but even though they might not be the smartest they are still doing something

What are the differences between the groups? And which is the dumb group?

 

[jontyB]

Sounds like ur hinting at JontyB

Anywayz there are different types of reservists and as far as I know some of the brightest people are part of the reservist teams. I think its the reservist group C where all the lawyers and accountants help the police out.

But I know which group you are talking about but even though they might not be the smartest they are still doing something

Yeah. Nice.

 

[Darth Garth]

To the best of my knowledge police forces across the world use the dictum of minumum force (LAPD excepted).

There was a case just the other day where US cops shot dead a student in a dorm who they wanted to arrest for stealing a PS3 from a fellow student.

Apparently he made the fatal mistake of answering the door while carrying a PS3 controller in his hand.

 

[DigitalSoldier]

What are the differences between the groups? And which is the dumb group?

Not exactly sure which is the "dumb group" maybe some actual reservist can comment but there are 3 different groups a,b and c.

I think its group a that go with the real police on call outs and sector patrolling, then group b that handles normal office work at the police station like taking statements etc. then group c are the qualified professionals usually accountants and lawyers helping the police out.

 

[Syndyre]

There was a case just the other day where US cops shot dead a student in a dorm who they wanted to arrest for stealing a PS3 from a fellow student.

Apparently he made the fatal mistake of answering the door while carrying a PS3 controller in his hand.

And the case in NY where one of the guys leaving the strip club made the mistake of saying "Yo, get my gun", making them think they were armed...

 

[IanC]

There was a case just the other day where US cops shot dead a student in a dorm who they wanted to arrest for stealing a PS3 from a fellow student.

Apparently he made the fatal mistake of answering the door while carrying a PS3 controller in his hand.

Perhaps I should have excepted the entire USA, they do seem to be rather a trigger happy lot.

What I was referring to was, the ideal the police are meant to live up to ... it may not be the practice, but at least their Nqakula-equivalent isn't openly advocating the use of maximum force.

 

[Syndyre]

Perhaps I should have excepted the entire USA, they do seem to be rather a trigger happy lot.

What I was referring to was, the ideal the police are meant to live up to ... it may not be the practice, but at least their Nqakula-equivalent isn't openly advocating the use of maximum force.

He only said they should use maximum force if their lives or the lives of the public are in danger. Seems fair enough to me.