NTC: We’ve captured Gaddafi

I cannot see the pleasure some have in celebrating his death.

<sarcasm> Well done you so-called civilised Western countries, you have successfully killed another anti-Western leader. <sarcasm>

Strange how the civilised Western leaders are not held accountable for their failed economic policies that have resulted in more pain and suffering in the world than caused by any other event.
 
...Strange how the civilised Western leaders are not held accountable for their failed economic policies that have resulted in more pain and suffering in the world than caused by any other event.
I agree there is no pleasure in seeing any human die.

However, your comment about suffering caused by Western economic policies cannot be go unchallenged. Surely this is mere puffery? Or do you really think 100+ million corpses, and the unspeakable suffering of untold millions more, caused for example by mad socialists like Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot and others are exceeded by the modern West's economic policies (which get worse the more socialist they become)?
 
"Images of joy on the streets of libya"

The pictures are only showing soldiers, where are the masses?
 
"Images of joy on the streets of libya"

The pictures are only showing soldiers, where are the masses?

taking cover from random shooting and out of control 'technicals'
 
was there not someone not high on meth available to film his death? :(
that camera was all over the show
 
Nearer home, it would be nice to see Mugabe go the same way.

It would be brilliant but it'll never happen, most Africans outside of Zim consider him a hero
Our only hope is cancer and old age
 
I agree there is no pleasure in seeing any human die.

However, your comment about suffering caused by Western economic policies cannot be go unchallenged. Surely this is mere puffery? Or do you really think 100+ million corpses, and the unspeakable suffering of untold millions more, caused for example by mad socialists like Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot and others are exceeded by the modern West's economic policies (which get worse the more socialist they become)?

Yea arthur the US are angels who never murdered hundreds of thousands during their wars right?

The Vietnam Red Cross reported as many as 3 million Vietnamese people have been affected by Agent Orange, including at least 150,000 children born with birth defects.[35] According to Vietnamese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, 4.8 million Vietnamese people were exposed to Agent Orange, resulting in 400,000 people being killed or maimed, and 500,000 children born with birth defects

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

Agent orange is more than likely one of the most disgusting things any army has ever been involved in. Absolutely Fking sickening what they did in vietnam. Let's not get into the atrocities the US committed in the vietnam war bud. Please don't use the excuse they never knew what it could do because you cannot use chemical warfare without knowing the effects of the chemical. Bare in mind their own troops suffered as well. O yea the nuclear bomb would also be an interesting one. The most horrific weapon unleashed on innocent people. Two of the most horrific attacks on civilians will be justified of course.

Can someone explain why hitler murdering 200000 and the US doing the same is different? Does it matter based on the amount of you murder in cold blood? 200k is fine, anything over a million is bad? Hitler is a bad man for murdering millions but the US are heroes for ending a war by murdering 90,000–166,000 killed in Hiroshima
60,000–80,000 killed in Nagasaki

I am not defending hitler or any anyone else who murders in cold blood but why are the US presidents left off the lists of bad people who murdered thousands in cold blood?

Of course there are excuses for the acts the US has been involved in, nobody tries to justify the other guys but the US yea excuse after excuse.
 
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but the US are heroes for ending a war by murdering 90,000–166,000 killed in Hiroshima
60,000–80,000 killed in Nagasaki

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RE. ending a war

The alternatives to Hiroshima & Nagasaki were infinitely worse and would have involved JAPANESE deaths running into tens of millions.

Even after two atomic bombs and the Russian declaration of war General Anami was desperate for national suicide in resisting invasion and only the intervention of the emperor prevented that happening.

Since then the USA has done many immoral things including Vietnam, Iraq & Afghanistan which cannot be excused but the world is still a better place for them being the superpower rather than the USSR.
 
It's a good thing the Libyans are rid of a dictator. It's too bad though that the NTC have sold off the country's resources to the airborne liberators & I doubt they had the ordinary Libyans interest at heart when signing those concessions.
 
It's a good thing the Libyans are rid of a dictator. It's too bad though that the NTC have sold off the country's resources to the airborne liberators & I doubt they had the ordinary Libyans interest at heart when signing those concessions.

That could depend - selling oil into NATO countries is closer. That should make it cheaper and, hence, more profitable.

Of course, if the Libyans need to eat the oil to survive it isn't taking their interests to heart.
 
That could depend - selling oil into NATO countries is closer. That should make it cheaper and, hence, more profitable.

Of course, if the Libyans need to eat the oil to survive it isn't taking their interests to heart.

Not to mention all the nice contracts on offer as well. Will the rebels bow down i wonder?
 
All the Scotties get revenge at last for the Lockerbie bomb.
 
That could depend - selling oil into NATO countries is closer. That should make it cheaper and, hence, more profitable.

Of course, if the Libyans need to eat the oil to survive it isn't taking their interests to heart.
True, but it's a bad idea to sign them before order is brought to the country and the way forward charted. The liberators in the form of NATO would have been in a position to negotiate very good deals for themselves. The other problem is that subsequent democratically elected governments may refuse to honour such contracts therefore making the rebels reluctant to allow elections where results may go against them. I'm sure the rebels didn't join the revolution to be poor, to paraphrase a certain ANC cde:o
 
During Gaddafi's period of rule many of Libya's human development indicators improved significantly. By 2010, Libya had the highest GDP per capita,[15] Education Index,[16] and Human Development Index[17] in Africa as well as some of the best health indicators in the continent

**** democracy and **** people.
 
True, but it's a bad idea to sign them before order is brought to the country and the way forward charted. The liberators in the form of NATO would have been in a position to negotiate very good deals for themselves. The other problem is that subsequent democratically elected governments may refuse to honour such contracts therefore making the rebels reluctant to allow elections where results may go against them. I'm sure the rebels didn't join the revolution to be poor, to paraphrase a certain ANC cde:o

What sort of deals would be negotiated?

And who are the rebels? Are they not the legitimate 'government'? Didn't they get recognition at the UN?

I am a bit more incliend to give the benefit of the doubt. It isn't like the Chinese have been involved in this.
 
Gadhafi goes from 'strongman' to 'madman' in China

BEIJING (AP) — China moved to embrace Libya's new government Friday after Moammar Gadhafi's death, updating its references to the former leader in state media — from the "strongman" who defied the West to the "madman" whose time ran out.
China initially refused to support the rebels or to criticize Gadhafi, but started building ties to the insurgents as the months-long Libya conflict wore on. Jetisoning any last vestige of neutrality, China's Foreign Ministry called Friday for the rapid launch of an inclusive political process and economic reconstruction in Libya.
Meanwhile, state media outlets began referring to Gadhafi in disparaging terms not seen before. As recently as late August, Gadhafi had been portrayed in relatively complimentary terms as a "Middle Eastern strongman" who defied Western threats and pressure. On Friday, however, the Web sites of both the official Xinhua News Agency and People's Daily newspaper ran photos of him, including those of his corpse, alongside side captions describing him as insane.
"The death of Gadhafi concludes the Middle East's era of madmen," people.com.cn said, while xinhuanet.com wrote simply, "The Middle Eastern madman Gadhafi."
Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu also urged national unity and the restoration of social stability in Libya, but it did not directly comment on Gadhafi's death.
"We have noted the relevant reports. At present, a new page has been turned in the history of Libya," Jiang said.
"We hope Libya will rapidly embark on an inclusive political process, maintain ethnic solidarity and national unity, swiftly establish social stability, begin economic reconstruction, and allow the people to live in peace and happiness," she said.
China abstained in the U.N. Security Council vote on whether to use force to protect civilians from Gadhafi's troops and was highly critical of the NATO air campaign that helped unseat the dictator. During the fighting, Beijing maintained contacts with Gadhafi's regime, even while gradually opening links to the rebels.
Beijing was the last member of the U.N. Security Council to formally recognize on Sept. 12 the transitional council as the ruling authority of Libya, and only after it had provided Beijing with assurances that business contracts signed under Gadhafi would continue to be honored.
China had accused NATO of overstepping its U.N. mandate, and Chinese diplomats say that strengthened Beijing's opposition to similar action against Syria's regime, which was accused of atrocities against civilian protesters.
China joined with Russia earlier this month in vetoing an already watered-down U.N. resolution criticizing the Syrian leadership, saying it objected to its holding open the possibility of sanctions against it.
Considerable sympathy for Gadhafi remained on Internet forums, including the popular Weibo microblogging site where ordinary Chinese feel freer to express personal views.
"Deeply mourn Libya's former leader Gadhafi, friend of the Chinese people. He died a heroic death," read one comment, signed "Yuan Jun."
"Heroic warrior against Western imperialism, slain by the Western bullets wielded by his own people," read another on the Sohu site, signed simply "Shanghai Internet user."
China's negative views of the uprisings in Libya, Syria, Egypt and elsewhere do not come without risk.
Spokesmen for Libya's new government have said they may discriminate against Chinese companies because of Beijing's failure to provide strong support, in contrast to France, Italy and other countries that early on condemned Gadhafi and fervently backed the air campaign.
China had invested billions of dollars in Libyan projects, including housing and railway construction, and was forced to send military cargo planes and a navy frigate to aid in the evacuation of more than 30,000 Chinese workers in the country when the conflict erupted in February.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...J4dR0A?docId=fc65936ea8cf42e594b6d9492a8b33c4

In China, the government decides when someone goes from hero to zero.
 
It would be brilliant but it'll never happen, most Africans outside of Zim consider him a hero
Our only hope is cancer and old age

Most Africans outside of Libya considered Ghadafi a hero. Nobody ever thought the Libyans would kill him.

@Killa, my condolences on your loss of yet another of your gatgabbas. Bwahaha. Viva la France
 
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