Obama's Mandela Address Fee

TysonRoux said:
I didn't listen to his address, and to spare those of us that have no interest in his address, could you post an excerpt where he "preached about opulence and big houses".

Edit: Here's a link to the transcript, which I glanced over and couldn't find anything about opulence and big houses.
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/art...ch-at-the-2018-nelson-mandela-annual-lecture/
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TysonRoux said:
That doesn't come across as a braggat, or lacking empathy, insensitive, which your comment "preached about opulence and big houses" suggests.
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Freshy-ZN said:
watch the video yet?
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1hr24min - no, as I said before, I did not listen to his address - give us a time window that supports your claim.

It looks like you're digging.

His host and most of the attendees are happy with him and his "lecture", and that's really all that counts.
 
Randhir said:
Lol. Consrvatards think the only politicians/ex-politicians to get speaking fees are Obama and Clinton :crylaugh:

From 2012:
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Donald Trump was not a politician in 2012? :confused:

And he does not take a salary as President either? First pres in the history of the US to do this?
 
Freshy-ZN said:
The video I linked to wasn't the whole speech but contained this excerpt :

"I should add, by the way, right now I’m actually surprised by how much money I got, and let me tell you something: I don’t have half as much as most of these folks or a tenth or a hundredth. There’s only so much you can eat. There’s only so big a house you can have. (Cheers and applause.) There’s only so many nice trips you can take. I mean, it’s enough. (Laughter.) You don’t have to take a vow of poverty just to say, “Well, let me help out and let a few of the other folks – let me look at that child out there who doesn’t have enough to eat or needs some school fees, let me help him out. I’ll pay a little more in taxes. It’s okay. I can afford it.” (Cheers and applause.) I mean, it shows a poverty of ambition to just want to take more and more and more, instead of saying, “Wow, I’ve got so much. Who can I help? How can I give more and more and more?” (Cheers and applause.) That’s ambition. That’s impact. That’s influence. What an amazing gift to be able to help people, not just yourself. (Applause.) Where was I? I ad-libbed. (Laughter.) You get the point. "
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Typical socialist hypocrite. If he wants to help the poor he can just use his own money and help the poor. They always want other people's money to do it. If you put a cap on how much wealth someone can accumulate we wont have any nice things. People will also just cap the implementation of their ideas at that same level. This famine thinking that there is limited wealth to go around and someone having alot takes it away from the poor is just stupid.
 
Freshy-ZN said:
Nothing to do with the right to charge a fee. I just find it a bit hypocritical to charge that sort of money (which the Nelson Mandela Foundation must have paid for) to preach about opulence and big houses.
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Not like he needs the money. Did his billionaire pal Richard Branson charge him for staying over at his private Island? Other limo liberals can rent the opulent and secluded Island for only $42 000 a night where they can cry into their cocktails about wealth inequality and greedy people with large houses.....

jack_spratt said:
And he does not take a salary as President either? First pres in the history of the US to do this?
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He donates his $400 000 presidential salary. So over 4, no sorry, 8 years that will be $3.2million.

Not the first. Kennedy and Hoover also donated their salaries.
 
rietrot said:
Typical socialist hypocrite. If he wants to help the poor he can just use his own money and help the poor. They always want other people's money to do it. If you put a cap on how much wealth someone can accumulate we wont have any nice things. People will also just cap the implementation of their ideas at that same level. This famine thinking that there is limited wealth to go around and someone having alot takes it away from the poor is just stupid.
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He is a motivator and motivating people - what is wrong with that? There are many instances where he has donated his own money (a million here, 2 million there etc. if you search through). You could of course argue that even if he donates enough millions, he will still have enough millions left.

If I argue like that then, question I should ask myself is "Am I donating enough 100's ?" Because after donating a few 100's, I will still have many many 100's left.
 
I still cannot find if he charged a fee and if so who paid it. I know there were ticket sales for the lecture but cant see what they cost.

What I personally think about the whole affair is that a rich man like Obama (would say the same if it was Bush, Blair or any other ex world leader/stinking rich businessperson) charging a fee to give a lecture for Mandela Day could have made more impact by doing it for base cost, especially if the foundation which aims to continue the legacy of Mandela paid. After all Nelson Mandela followed three rules throughout his life, which he did at great personal sacrifice: Free yourself. Free others. Serve every day. It was not just his mantra; it was his way of life."

That's a whole lot of "Frees" and "Serves" right there.


Another thing I found distasteful was him saying "right now I’m actually surprised by how much money I got" in a public lecture in one of the most economically disparate countries in the world and on the poorest continent on the planet. Im sure the rich communist Ramaphosa loved that.
 
crackersa said:
Why would trump offer security when Obama has secret service for life?
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OT, IIRC Obama only has Secret Service protection for 10 years after his term, while he was in office they changed it. Bush is the last former US president who will get protection for life.
 
Freshy-ZN said:
I still cannot find if he charged a fee and if so who paid it. I know there were ticket sales for the lecture but cant see what they cost.

What I personally think about the whole affair is that a rich man like Obama (would say the same if it was Bush, Blair or any other ex world leader/stinking rich businessperson) charging a fee to give a lecture for Mandela Day could have made more impact by doing it for base cost, especially if the foundation which aims to continue the legacy of Mandela paid. After all Nelson Mandela followed three rules throughout his life, which he did at great personal sacrifice: Free yourself. Free others. Serve every day. It was not just his mantra; it was his way of life."

That's a whole lot of "Frees" and "Serves" right there.


Another thing I found distasteful was him saying "right now I’m actually surprised by how much money I got" in a public lecture in one of the most economically disparate countries in the world and on the poorest continent on the planet. Im sure the rich communist Ramaphosa loved that.
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I heard somewhere a while ago that Patrice Motsepe will be paying for the entire thing, but haven't heard anything since. If true then it will eventually come out what he paid, same as when he paid to bring Barcelona over here in May.
 
bigboy529 said:
OT, IIRC Obama only has Secret Service protection for 10 years after his term, while he was in office they changed it. Bush is the last former US president who will get protection for life.
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Secret Service protection

Former presidents were entitled from 1965 to 1996 to lifetime Secret Service protection, for themselves, spouses, and children under 16. A 1994 statute, (Pub.L. 103–329), limited post-presidential protection to ten years for presidents inaugurated after January 1, 1997.[7] Under this statute, Bill Clinton would still be entitled to lifetime protection, and all subsequent presidents would have been entitled to ten years' protection.[8] On January 10, 2013, President Barack Obama signed the Former Presidents Protection Act of 2012, reinstating lifetime Secret Service protection for his predecessor George W. Bush, himself, and all subsequent presidents.[9]

Richard Nixon relinquished his Secret Service protection in 1985, the only president to do so
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Freshy-ZN said:
After all Nelson Mandela followed three rules throughout his life, which he did at great personal sacrifice: Free yourself. Free others. Serve every day. It was not just his mantra; it was his way of life."
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Suppose that depends on how one defines free. Cuba according to Mandela...

There's one thing where that country stands out head and shoulders above the rest. That is in its love for human rights and liberty.
 
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