Objection to ANC's election claims.

[alloytoo]

The ANC is making a great deal of claims this election regarding their performance in the past 14 years.

X number of houses, X number of water and sewage connections etc etc.

I object to a political party making claims as to the performance of government, especially since they've been using (mostly abusing) my money to do it.

 

[Picard]

I object to them because they are a party based upon old African traditions of absolute centralised power (to the point of them being totally undemocratic), the absolute claim party leaders have to their own enrichment (which leads to blatant corruption), and because they stink.

 

[Sherbang]

I don't get what the problem is? If they can back up their claims, then why not?

 

[Just_Ice]

Its actually misleading to the general public.
So what is they have delivered 1 000 000 homes? Its only like 30% of claims for example.
Lets see a campaign where they state the % of houses delivered to those who need them, and then we will see a failure of a campaign

 

[Sherbang]

Its actually misleading to the general public.
So what is they have delivered 1 000 000 homes? Its only like 30% of claims for example.
Lets see a campaign where they state the % of houses delivered to those who need them, and then we will see a failure of a campaign

I don't see how it's misleading - they're not claiming to have solved the housing issue or anything else - they are stating how many houses have been built by an ANC lead government (among other things) which is fair enough...

 

[JungleBoy]

The ANC is making a great deal of claims this election regarding their performance in the past 14 years.

X number of houses, X number of water and sewage connections etc etc.

I object to a political party making claims as to the performance of government, especially since they've been using (mostly abusing) my money to do it.

Then you shouldn't hold the ANC accountable for areas where gvt has misused your taxes, e.g. arms deal etc

 

[risingtide]

I don't get what the problem is? If they can back up their claims, then why not?

They should also state what their previous campaign promises and governments targets were.
It also says nothing about the quality of the houses which in many cases seems to be below standard.

 

[cyberia]

It also says nothing about the quality of the houses which in many cases seems to be below standard.

That's like asking 2 minute noodles to place a cancer warning on their product for containing MSG, or any other product.

It is an advert.

But I would love to see you substantiate your claim for the bolded part? If the ANC have built a million house what exactly does an ambiguous statement such as MANY are below standards.

How much is many and to which standards are you reffering to?

 

[Sherbang]

It's also not just about housing:

We have built the foundation of a new society by enshrining the basic human and democratic rights of all in the country's constitution; building the institutions of our democracy and ensured citizen's participation in decision-making processes that affected their lives.

The workers have benefited from the passing of progressive labour legislation and introduction of social security benefits. An ANC government has introduced laws to protect workers, create machinery to negotiate wages and working conditions, set minimum wages for domestic workers, farm workers, hospitality, taxi workers and security sectors and established maximum hours of work for all. We introduced affirmative action laws and legislation to promote skills.

In 1996, only 3 million people, had access to social grants. Today 12.5 million receive social grants. In 1996, only 34,000 children had access to social grants. Today nearly 8 million children younger than 14 years, receive social grants.

In 1996, 58% of the population gained access to electricity. Today, 80% do. In 1996, 62% of the population has access to running water. Today, 88% do.

3.1 million subsidized houses were built, including 2.7 million free houses for the poor, giving shelter to an additional 14 million people.

Lucky for us alloytoo has so much money - apparently he paid for all this...

And they are admitting that there is still a lot to be done:

We have set ourselves key targets to reach by the end of the second decade of freedom, including halving the levels of poverty and unemployment by 2014. Much still needs to be done to reach these goals. Many households and communities, especially single-headed and child-headed households - remain trapped in poverty. With changing conditions, new challenges have arisen.

Unemployment is unacceptably high among our people. There is a special challenge amongst African women, rural persons and young people. There has been a growth of casualised, low wage and outsourced jobs, contributing to the rise of the working poor.

Inequality has persisted and increased in our society. Workers' share of national income has continued to decline. The rural areas remain divided between well-developed commercial farming areas, peri-urban and impoverished communal areas. The benefits of economic growth have not been broadly and equitably shared.

Much needs to be done to improve the quality of health care and education as well as improving service delivery, especially at local government level.

Crime is a major national challenge and the fight against crime and corruption needs to be stepped up. We have much work to do to strengthen and increase access to the institutions of democracy, especially parliament, legislatures and the judiciary, so that they serve ordinary South Africans better.

Part of the nation-building process is the struggle against all forms of racism, sexism, tribalism - including xenophobia, which has raised its ugly head in recent years. We also need to fight racially motivated violence and hate speech.

 

[Balstrome]

How much is many and to which standards are you reffering to?

Would you be willing to live in any one of 75% of the housing that the ANC have provided, or how about 25%? ANC method is 4 walls and a roof makes a house, so shut up and accept it, or you dont get a house.

 

[JustAsk]

That's like asking 2 minute noodles to place a cancer warning on their product for containing MSG, or any other product.

It is an advert.

But I would love to see you substantiate your claim for the bolded part? If the ANC have built a million house what exactly does an ambiguous statement such as MANY are below standards.

How much is many and to which standards are you reffering to?

Way better than the NP houses they built just before '94 elections in Delf,Cape flats.Those fell in on the people.

 

[JustAsk]

Would you be willing to live in any one of 75% of the housing that the ANC have provided, or how about 25%? ANC method is 4 walls and a roof makes a house, so shut up and accept it, or you dont get a house.

Sadly many people appreciate that 4 walls and a roof,it beats a shack by miles.We can thank the previous regime for that.

 

[Sherbang]

Would you be willing to live in any one of 75% of the housing that the ANC have provided, or how about 25%? ANC method is 4 walls and a roof makes a house, so shut up and accept it, or you dont get a house.

I've no idea what the 75% - 25% you refer to here is about?
As JustAsk already pointed out - if I was living in a shack, on the street, under a bridge, in a room with 20 other people, etc I would definitely want 4 walls and a roof - that would be a huge improvement in my circumstances - plus I would get running water, electricity, toilets.
Unless you would prefer the ANC spent trillions building mansions for everyone

 

[Balstrome]

I've no idea what the 75% - 25% you refer to here is about?
As JustAsk already pointed out - if I was living in a shack, on the street, under a bridge, in a room with 20 other people, etc I would definitely want 4 walls and a roof - that would be a huge improvement in my circumstances - plus I would get running water, electricity, toilets.
Unless you would prefer the ANC spent trillions building mansions for everyone

So let me get this straight, you are saying these poor doff blacks oes must just accept the *** houses that the ANC has given them and shut the hell up ?

I would prefer business to get involded in housing projects on a huge scale, making quality houses for anyone to live in. Making squatter shacks, which the ANC proudly point to as a success, keeps the divide between the black have nots and the white haves. WHICH is exactly what the ANC wants, as this provides a target for them to point at when the public start to question their faults. Look at the rich white guys, they are the cause of your problems.

 

[Sherbang]

So let me get this straight, you are saying these poor doff blacks oes must just accept the *** houses that the ANC has given them and shut the hell up ?

Get it straight - I never said any such thing.
People are grateful for houses, it's got nothing to do with shut the hell up.

I would prefer business to get involded in housing projects on a huge scale, making quality houses for anyone to live in.

LOFL good one Balstrome, but this is a serious issue, stop joking about it. business building free quality houses for people, have you ever...

Making squatter shacks, which the ANC proudly point to as a success, keeps the divide between the black have nots and the white haves.

Oh yeah, show me these 'squatter shacks' the ANC has been building for people.

WHICH is exactly what the ANC wants, as this provides a target for them to point at when the public start to question their faults. Look at the rich white guys, they are the cause of your problems.

Well, if these rich white guys were building 'quality' houses for people as you so ludicrously suggested above then we wouldn't have this problem would we?

 

[Balstrome]

Get it straight - I never said any such thing.
People are grateful for houses, it's got nothing to do with shut the hell up.

No I said that, and I base it on, the fact that if you disagree with the ANC, you wll lose out.

LOFL good one Balstrome, but this is a serious issue, stop joking about it. business building free quality houses for people, have you ever...

I never mentioned free, you did, but for ..... hell with this, pointless having a discussion with a fool.

 

[alloytoo]

Then you shouldn't hold the ANC accountable for areas where gvt has misused your taxes, e.g. arms deal etc

That's just it isn't it, they're not going to be held accountable are they?

 

[alloytoo]

It's also not just about housing:






Lucky for us alloytoo has so much money - apparently he paid for all this...

And they are admitting that there is still a lot to be done:

Had.

 

[Crimefree]

I don't see how it's misleading - they're not claiming to have solved the housing issue or anything else - they are stating how many houses have been built by an ANC lead government (among other things) which is fair enough...

So if the ANC had built two houses this is a success and they should be congratulated.

The facts are the ANC have not met their own predicted needs for housing and have failed dismally to get anywhere near what is needed. However don't expect the ANC to present the facts. Instead it simply claims to have built xxx number of houses and the fools don't see the failing to meet their own promises of past elections.

The ANC have not achieved a single election promise ever made of delivery to the people in 15 years. Why should they succeed now?

What the ANC has done is prove time and again they are the most incompetent government SA has ever had and that includes the NP

What the ANC government relies on is the electorate is even more incompetent or ideologically blinded than they are.

 

[Sherbang]

Had.