Offer to purchase question

And monthly extras in terms of insurances you think? Rates and taxes (which I know I area dependent)

Get a statement upfront from the property you are looking at. That will give you an idea related to rates and taxes, refuse and sewerage costs.

Regarding insurance, if its bonded yes, you need it. Banks them required life insurance in some cases for you, and your wife if married within conditions

Then ADT, or get a dog, which would cost dog food, and need love and taking the k9 for walks. (Your option there).

Set an income and expenses spreadsheet up, the bank will ask it also. So do it now to save time

Then think worse case. Workout your bond with prime rate, and then prime plus 5%, worse scenario
 
And monthly extras in terms of insurances you think? Rates and taxes (which I know I area dependent)

R1.3m property, probably needs to be insured for around R4m rebuild cost is my guess, so between R500 and R1000 per month on that.

Electricity anywhere from R2000 - R5000
Water anywhere from R300 - R1000
Rates would be anywhere from R900 - R2000 I would guess based on what I know of the rate randages around the country.

I'd suggest you budget around R10k per month (at least) over the bond to service the house costs.
 
R1.3m property, probably needs to be insured for around R4m rebuild cost is my guess, so between R500 and R1000 per month on that.

Electricity anywhere from R2000 - R5000
Water anywhere from R300 - R1000
Rates would be anywhere from R900 - R2000 I would guess based on what I know of the rate randages around the country.

I'd suggest you budget around R10k per month (at least) over the bond to service the house costs.
On top of the 13k for the actual bond
 
R1.3m property, probably needs to be insured for around R4m rebuild cost is my guess, so between R500 and R1000 per month on that.

Electricity anywhere from R2000 - R5000
Water anywhere from R300 - R1000
Rates would be anywhere from R900 - R2000 I would guess based on what I know of the rate randages around the country.

I'd suggest you budget around R10k per month (at least) over the bond to service the house costs.
Yakes! Although currently paying R1000 for Electricity 300 units, R400 water, R9000 rent, R1100 office insurance and furniture, R400 security.

So I guess I will have to double that + extra for the bond. Hmmm....
 
Yakes! Although currently paying R1000 for Electricity 300 units, R400 water, R9000 rent, R1100 office insurance and furniture, R400 security.

So I guess I will have to double that + extra for the bond. Hmmm....

You should be fine albeit I’d add an additional 3-5k in your budget as interest rates go up and down for the bond and this will be the big killer if you bought at the top of your range
 
R1.3m property, probably needs to be insured for around R4m rebuild cost is my guess, so between R500 and R1000 per month on that.

Electricity anywhere from R2000 - R5000
Water anywhere from R300 - R1000
Rates would be anywhere from R900 - R2000 I would guess based on what I know of the rate randages around the country.

I'd suggest you budget around R10k per month (at least) over the bond to service the house costs.


I made a huge mistake when budgeting, I was renting a place R6500 and new place bond was R7400. Without thinking I was like this is better, double the size place etc. I was at 6.75% for 2 years rates, then prime + 1%. Increase in electricity, water fees, sewage fee, refuse fees, levy on top of rates not forgetting maintenance of the place. I was paying first year paying R10000 everything, end of 2nd year average R21000 per month. Prime rate short up.
I had to sell the place at a loss, and top took 2 years to sell. That's R500k school fees lesson when buying/budgeting. 2 years 6 months more to pay off and then buying again but this time I'm educated :P. No preexisting debt, all payment into bond. If cannot pay off in 7.5 years the bond then don't buy.
 
I made a huge mistake when budgeting, I was renting a place R6500 and new place bond was R7400. Without thinking I was like this is better, double the size place etc. I was at 6.75% for 2 years rates, then prime + 1%. Increase in electricity, water fees, sewage fee, refuse fees, levy on top of rates not forgetting maintenance of the place. I was paying first year paying R10000 everything, end of 2nd year average R21000 per month. Prime rate short up.
I had to sell the place at a loss, and top took 2 years to sell. That's R500k school fees lesson when buying/budgeting. 2 years 6 months more to pay off and then buying again but this time I'm educated :p. No preexisting debt, all payment into bond. If cannot pay off in 7.5 years the bond then don't buy.
You were not the only one. Many fell for the poor buying is better than renting advise. Specially during the Lockdown ponzi scheme.
 
I made a huge mistake when budgeting, I was renting a place R6500 and new place bond was R7400. Without thinking I was like this is better, double the size place etc. I was at 6.75% for 2 years rates, then prime + 1%. Increase in electricity, water fees, sewage fee, refuse fees, levy on top of rates not forgetting maintenance of the place. I was paying first year paying R10000 everything, end of 2nd year average R21000 per month. Prime rate short up.
I had to sell the place at a loss, and top took 2 years to sell. That's R500k school fees lesson when buying/budgeting. 2 years 6 months more to pay off and then buying again but this time I'm educated :P. No preexisting debt, all payment into bond. If cannot pay off in 7.5 years the bond then don't buy.
What? That makes no sense, how did it go up 11k in year 2? Interest would've at most pushed the bond up 2k.
 
What? That makes no sense, how did it go up 11k in year 2? Interest would've at most pushed the bond up 2k.
So I took fixed 6.75% @ R920 000 it was capped 2 years fixed rate. R7050
after 2 years it was prime + 1% = R12800(including insurance)
Electricity was R1.2 per unit, jump R2.8 unit. R1000 to R3000 bill a month.
Levy was actually R1200 when took it, but it was covid rate for 1 year, the levy was R2800 per month.
Refuse + rates = R1000 per month from R550
Maintenance on property + content insurance = R1000-1500 per month

It was a bad buy, worst off I took a bad agent to sell property, I had buyer R800000, agent said property goes R920-950k and they say it sells 2-3 months.
2 years 3 months later the place was empty plus sold it R770000 + cancellation fees + (R12800 x 3) penalty. Rental agent that suppose to rent out, tenant never pay after 3 months, so fees to get them out was on me. Overall 2 years + 3 months plus knock of R150k = R500k downfall.

As said first property, first mistake.
 
So I took fixed 6.75% @ R920 000 it was capped 2 years fixed rate. R7050
after 2 years it was prime + 1% = R12800(including insurance)
Electricity was R1.2 per unit, jump R2.8 unit. R1000 to R3000 bill a month.
Levy was actually R1200 when took it, but it was covid rate for 1 year, the levy was R2800 per month.
Refuse + rates = R1000 per month from R550
Maintenance on property + content insurance = R1000-1500 per month

It was a bad buy, worst off I took a bad agent to sell property, I had buyer R800000, agent said property goes R920-950k and they say it sells 2-3 months.
2 years 3 months later the place was empty plus sold it R770000 + cancellation fees + (R12800 x 3) penalty. Rental agent that suppose to rent out, tenant never pay after 3 months, so fees to get them out was on me. Overall 2 years + 3 months plus knock of R150k = R500k downfall.

As said first property, first mistake.
Also Agents are snakes. The property I am looking at has no agent.
 
So I took fixed 6.75% @ R920 000 it was capped 2 years fixed rate. R7050
after 2 years it was prime + 1% = R12800(including insurance)
Electricity was R1.2 per unit, jump R2.8 unit. R1000 to R3000 bill a month.
Levy was actually R1200 when took it, but it was covid rate for 1 year, the levy was R2800 per month.
Refuse + rates = R1000 per month from R550
Maintenance on property + content insurance = R1000-1500 per month

It was a bad buy, worst off I took a bad agent to sell property, I had buyer R800000, agent said property goes R920-950k and they say it sells 2-3 months.
2 years 3 months later the place was empty plus sold it R770000 + cancellation fees + (R12800 x 3) penalty. Rental agent that suppose to rent out, tenant never pay after 3 months, so fees to get them out was on me. Overall 2 years + 3 months plus knock of R150k = R500k downfall.

As said first property, first mistake.

R2800 levy? Fookin hell
 
Which you pay for. Think about it for a bit.
You pay the asking price, the seller needs to hopefully make sure the agent they pay for is in that price.
The user you replied to was the seller, he got screwed
 
You pay the asking price, the seller needs to hopefully make sure the agent they pay for is in that price.
The user you replied to was the seller, he got screwed
I got screwed both ways, 2 different agents. They not your friends!

Purchase Experience:
During the purchase process, I encountered several issues. The levy fees were not fully disclosed upfront; I was informed that the current levy for the past three months averaged R1,200, but I was not aware it was actually around R2,600 at that time, with the lower amount being a temporary relief. I only discovered this discrepancy after signing the Offer to Purchase (OTP).


Additionally, there was significant water damage in the bathroom, estimated at R20,000. Despite this, neither the bond nor the transfer attorney addressed this issue. I was informed that I signed the final documentation confirming the property was in good condition and that the transfer could not proceed until this paperwork was completed. I only took possession of the property once the transfer was finalized.


Having rented in the same complex previously, I was familiar with the management’s approach. They eventually addressed the R20,000 water damage, and I did additional R10,000 to complete the repairs of the rest. I love the place, stayed 2 years until Its not financially feasible and wanted to move also.

Sale Experience:
When it came time to sell, Initially, I received an offer of R800,000, but I was advised that the property could fetch between R920,000 and R950,000. After consulting with two agents, I was oversold promises and sign a mandate agreement. I also inquired about rental options in case the property did not sell, as I was relocating from Johannesburg.


Despite five months on the market, there was no sale. The property was advertised for rent, and after thorough tenant screening, the tenant paid rent consistently for three months before defaulting for the subsequent three months. I began eviction proceedings during this period, but rental income only covered fees and repairs.

Ultimately, I decided to focus on selling. Two potential buyers had their bonds rejected, but the third buyer was financially sound. The property was sold for R850,000, and after agent fees, my net proceeds were approximately R770,000.

The bank required three months’ notice for bond cancellation. Although transfer and agent representatives assured me that all documentation had been submitted, the process was delayed by two weeks due to holiday periods. Consequently, the notice period expired. It was my fault, I should have proactively contacted the bank to reset the notice flag.

Furthermore, the bond attorney took two months to finalize the process and made a significant error by waiting for bond guarantees that had already been submitted as cash guarantees. This misunderstanding caused unnecessary delays and frustration. I initially suspected the buyer of non-cooperation, but after investigation, it became clear the delay was due to the bond attorney’s oversight. FNB did not take responsibility for the delays and charged a three-month penalty. Additionally, my private banker was unresponsive when I requested a reduction in the bond interest rate. 6 months after OTP the property was sold. So the transfer usually takes 4-6 weeks max if cash. The buyer was really happy with how the place was done up and no complaints. The best and most clean place he saw, nothing to be done.
 
R2800 levy? Fookin hell

Its R2895 at the moment I see advertise. This the place, not same unit but same complex.

As you see the above fail to mention the rates properly

Looking at this you see rates are R775, exclude refuse, so now its R1100 rates + refuse.

I was staying 10 years in same complex, I did not want things to change, security and wanted a bigger place. Financially it was a bad decision.
If I never bought place will have now been able to afford to buy the place with cash, IF IF just rented!
 
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I got screwed both ways, 2 different agents. They not your friends!

Purchase Experience:
During the purchase process, I encountered several issues. The levy fees were not fully disclosed upfront; I was informed that the current levy for the past three months averaged R1,200, but I was not aware it was actually around R2,600 at that time, with the lower amount being a temporary relief. I only discovered this discrepancy after signing the Offer to Purchase (OTP).


Additionally, there was significant water damage in the bathroom, estimated at R20,000. Despite this, neither the bond nor the transfer attorney addressed this issue. I was informed that I signed the final documentation confirming the property was in good condition and that the transfer could not proceed until this paperwork was completed. I only took possession of the property once the transfer was finalized.


Having rented in the same complex previously, I was familiar with the management’s approach. They eventually addressed the R20,000 water damage, and I did additional R10,000 to complete the repairs of the rest. I love the place, stayed 2 years until Its not financially feasible and wanted to move also.

Sale Experience:
When it came time to sell, Initially, I received an offer of R800,000, but I was advised that the property could fetch between R920,000 and R950,000. After consulting with two agents, I was oversold promises and sign a mandate agreement. I also inquired about rental options in case the property did not sell, as I was relocating from Johannesburg.


Despite five months on the market, there was no sale. The property was advertised for rent, and after thorough tenant screening, the tenant paid rent consistently for three months before defaulting for the subsequent three months. I began eviction proceedings during this period, but rental income only covered fees and repairs.

Ultimately, I decided to focus on selling. Two potential buyers had their bonds rejected, but the third buyer was financially sound. The property was sold for R850,000, and after agent fees, my net proceeds were approximately R770,000.

The bank required three months’ notice for bond cancellation. Although transfer and agent representatives assured me that all documentation had been submitted, the process was delayed by two weeks due to holiday periods. Consequently, the notice period expired. It was my fault, I should have proactively contacted the bank to reset the notice flag.

Furthermore, the bond attorney took two months to finalize the process and made a significant error by waiting for bond guarantees that had already been submitted as cash guarantees. This misunderstanding caused unnecessary delays and frustration. I initially suspected the buyer of non-cooperation, but after investigation, it became clear the delay was due to the bond attorney’s oversight. FNB did not take responsibility for the delays and charged a three-month penalty. Additionally, my private banker was unresponsive when I requested a reduction in the bond interest rate. 6 months after OTP the property was sold. So the transfer usually takes 4-6 weeks max if cash. The buyer was really happy with how the place was done up and no complaints. The best and most clean place he saw, nothing to be done.
Biggest issue I see here is that you trusted the estate agent. Never trust a word they say - estate agents are the literal definition of parasites; on the same level as a used car salesman. They will say whatever they can to make a sale, and are only in it for their cut. Get everything in writing, and get the seller or seller's attorney to put everything in writing. Anything they say they're going to do etc.
 

Its R2895 at the moment I see advertise. This the place, not same unit but same complex.

As you see the above fail to mention the rates properly

Looking at this you see rates are R775, exclude refuse, so now its R1100 rates + refuse.

I was staying 10 years in same complex, I did not want things to change, security and wanted a bigger place. Financially it was a bad decision.
If I never bought place will have now been able to afford to buy the place with cash, IF IF just rented!
Many folks got burned after the covid property dash. Don't be too hard on yourself. You're wiser now. Dust off and go for it!
 
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