Official 10.7 Lion Thread...

I got en email explaining that my last chance to upgrade Adobe is around the corner. After that, no upgrade discount.

Piracy is not an option - I simply cannot reconcile myself with that. Until now, maybe. Still, I may have figured a way around the installation problem: if I use Doppelganger to trace what gets put where in a CS3 install, then maybe I can make my own installer. This is long ways off though, seeing as how an U/G to lion is not going to be a priority just yet. Also, that new h/w budget was blown yesterday on a beer and pizza (it wasn't a very full budget!)

But back to the topic: confusing me with MacBoer. Is it his sig? The mac? or the Boer? LOL
 
GreGorGy said:
But back to the topic: confusing me with MacBoer. Is it his sig? The mac? or the Boer? LOL
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Dunno, for some odd reason I had it in my head that macboer was the one with Rosetta issues. All my fault.

I don't see why Apple can't just keep Rosetta, I don't think it's something that tightly integrates into the OS seeing it runs in userspace. The move seems to have ticked of a lot people that would now have to go spend big $$$ on software that's working perfectly fine as it is. Wonder if there is any collusion between the software vendors and apple for this...
 
I haven't been following this discussion but will there be a facility to run iOS apps within 10.7?
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But knowing Apple's dumb it down & lock it down mentality the above ain't gonna happen.
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When it comes to OsX they don't have any interest in locking things down. :confused:
 
bwana said:
When it comes to OsX they don't have any interest in locking things down. :confused:
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I meant certain system settings are pretty much locked down and you can't change them and Apple does not seem interested in allowing you to in the near future either. Was not referring to in the same context as lockdown on the iPhone etc.
 
ponder said:
I meant certain system settings are pretty much locked down and you can't change them and Apple does not seem interested in allowing you to in the near future either. Was not referring to in the same context as lockdown on the iPhone etc.
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Like? I know people don't like apple's acceleration curves for the mouse but developers have filled the gap there with plenty of apps. If you buy a microsoft mouse for example you can use their settings which is probably ideal since it's usually ex-wondozers who don't like it. :)
 
Don't blame Apple for this. Blame Adobe. Apple has used Intel hardware since 2005, and you can bet your first born that Adobe knew this well in advanced and almost certainly had Intel based Macs with early versions of OSX_x86 on. It is rumoured that OSX_x86 existed right from the start, and given the software it is based on, I am partial to believe that. Remember that in those days, the Adobe users was a significant slice of Apple's userbase - it would have been in Apple's interest to ensure that Adobe has every chance to be up to speed.

Adobe was similarly slow with 64bit. OSX has supported 64bit processing since 2007, and Apple has been shipping 64bit capable processors since 2003 (G5 PowerMac) so even if Apple didn't tell Adobe that this is where things are heading, it doesn't take a genius to work it out. Apple has also already show that they're quite willing to completely drop an older architecture and all compatibility for it, so Adobe has no excuse. The first 64bit AMD chips landed in 2003 too, Windows XP Pro 64bit edition was ready in 2005. Yet, despite all of this, CS5 is still 32bit only on the Mac. WTF is going on at Adobe?

As far as I'm concerned, both Apple and Microsoft should drop 32bit support and 32bit compatibility entirely in their next OS releases. Yes it will hurt, but it will also rid us of a lot of problems that holding on to the past brings.
 
I just got a Magic Trackpad. I reckon it's the best input device for OS X. It's huge! Much bigger than the Macbook Pro trackpad, which isn't small to begin with.

Anyway, I don't think Mac OS X will run iOS apps. They are made for touch input, it just doesn't work on a Mac. That said their built-in apps are getting an iOS influence, and the Mac App store has a lot of ports from iOS.
 
Synaesthesia said:
I just got a Magic Trackpad. I reckon it's the best input device for OS X. It's huge! Much bigger than the Macbook Pro trackpad, which isn't small to begin with.

Anyway, I don't think Mac OS X will run iOS apps. They are made for touch input, it just doesn't work on a Mac. That said their built-in apps are getting an iOS influence, and the Mac App store has a lot of ports from iOS.
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I've recently considered this, but wasn't sure if it would be that much better.
Is it worth the price though and where is it most useful?
How is it better than Magic Mouse?
 
bwana said:
Like? I know people don't like apple's acceleration curves for the mouse but developers have filled the gap there with plenty of apps. If you buy a microsoft mouse for example you can use their settings which is probably ideal since it's usually ex-wondozers who don't like it. :)
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I have tried every single one of those mouse utils and they still leave you wanting. Another big one is system wide font manipulation, wtf can I simply not change my fonts across the whole system like in every other os out there.

I try not to buy MS products. Also I don't want to go buy a new piece of hardware because of a problem with the os, I happen to like my current mouse.
 
ponder said:
I have tried every single one of those mouse utils and they still leave you wanting. Another big one is system wide font manipulation, wtf can I simply not change my fonts across the whole system like in every other os out there.

I try not to buy MS products. Also I don't want to go buy a new piece of hardware because of a problem with the os, I happen to like my current mouse.
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It is curious, been that way since as long as I can remember it. I'm also happy with the mouse acceleration so I can't say I've invested much time in trying to change it..
 
Speaking of Microsoft products I would like a native built-on version of Remote Desktop. I always control my i7 with my MacBook. My Office for Mac 2011 Pro is expiring tomorrow and I really don't want to buy one.
 
bwana said:
It is curious, been that way since as long as I can remember it.
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Yip. Maybe it's time they fix it. You do get one or two apps that can assist in doing it but it's still a ballache.
 
koffiejunkie said:
Get your request in before it's too late:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html
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Lol, like they are going to take notice. Google OS X mouse acceleration and see how many people out there are banging their heads against walls. One would have thought with something so simple they would have made few changes or added and option for user to make more granular changes to how their mouse behaves. If they ignore something so small what are the chances of them providing for system wide font management?
 
No I don't think they would. Why? Because the problem is not that there's something wrong with how mouse acceleration in OSX behaves (it's the same as every other Unix, BTW). The problem is that it's different to Windows. Get used to it.

With regards to feedback, I was referrring to the fonts issue. If you don't provide feedback, you have no business complaining.
 
Has this lion got blu-ray support now, or is it still an old lion with a sore tooth?
 
koffiejunkie said:
No I don't think they would. Why? Because the problem is not that there's something wrong with how mouse acceleration in OSX behaves (it's the same as every other Unix, BTW). The problem is that it's different to Windows. Get used to it.

With regards to feedback, I was referrring to the fonts issue. If you don't provide feedback, you have no business complaining.
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I guess you're right in saying there isn't a problem with the acceleration (it's just the way it is, even if it makes use of a retarded curve), but how about the option to disable it? Almost every utility I've tried can't disable it completely.

There is, however, a problem with mice that use a high-polling rate, or anything higher than 125hz anyway. This sums it up perfectly: http://dae.cyberic.eu/blog/mouse-cursor-skipping-jumping-bug-on-mac-os-x/
Even with my mouse set to 125hz, I still notice the cursor jitter. It's not a matter of "this is not windows, don't expect it to be like windows" - it's a matter of usability. Using a reporting rate of 1000hz makes slow mouse movements extremely unpredictable, and useless for things like photoshopping. I have a wacom tablet, and this behaviour is not evident with that, so surely they (Apple) can fix the general mouse drivers as well. Which brings up another thing, the generic drivers don't support more than 3 buttons for 3rd party mice...

Disclaimer: I've been a fulltime mac user since 2007, I hate using windows, and I've been trying to find a fix for using mice within OS X for the last 4 years. I have submitted feedback/complaints to Apple regarding the issue.
 
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