Official ICC 2015 CWC thread

So many naysayers! :mad:

/opens another bottle
/pours another triple dram
/sips
/hic

They can still take it from here. Not sure about the Proteas, but Scots definitely can.

/sips

Bwahaha! Fair point. I admire the Scots, so if they pull it off, good on them. :D

Then again, I admire the Proteas even more, but experience has taught me not to be oblivious to their shortcomings.
 
I've given up hopes of SA winning this WC after our pakistan match. We are not the best team in the WC and we will be found out.
 
I've given up hopes of SA winning this WC after our pakistan match. We are not the best team in the WC and we will be found out.

+1.

Cricket related: This Siphe Mzaidume oke is in the news again, and full of excuses as usual.
[video=youtube;rOCxBkVr3PY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOCxBkVr3PY[/video]

Wondering if he is actually TrollKast.
 
+1.

Cricket related: This Siphe Mzaidume oke is in the news again, and full of excuses as usual.
[video=youtube;rOCxBkVr3PY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOCxBkVr3PY[/video]

Wondering if he is actually TrollKast.

this guy just isn't good enough. he can't get a place in county teams. Last I heard he was playing club cricket in England.

Just Listening, he wants represent England. LOL
 
Lol. I'm only 26th in the South African Fans pool! :p

"Only"? Good grief, Sire! If I were "only" 26th, I would be doing more than a few drams of the spiked coffee.

+1.

Cricket related: This Siphe Mzaidume oke is in the news again, and full of excuses as usual.

Never heard of the lad. From Wall's comment, it doesn't sound like he has the potential to make it into a half-decent side.

this guy just isn't good enough. he can't get a place in county teams. Last I heard he was playing club cricket in England.

Just Listening, he wants represent England. LOL

He can represent England. I heard they are looking for players for the National side. About 11 of them I hear. So he has more than a decent chance of making opening bowler at the mo :p
 
I have just noticed my lads lost! Crestfallen for the Scottish lads, I am. Crestfallen! :cry:

(with sympathy to sand_man)
 
KP went over because he was too white. This guy went over because he is black.

Maybe, just maybe, neither of you got a chance because at the time you never stood out? Not every person that ever set foot in an academy gets to play cricket at the highest level.

There are English footballers that come from the top club's academies that end up playing in the 3rd & 4th tier of football because they just never made the next step.
 
+1.

Cricket related: This Siphe Mzaidume oke is in the news again, and full of excuses as usual.
[video=youtube;rOCxBkVr3PY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOCxBkVr3PY[/video]

Wondering if he is actually TrollKast.

Interesting, I remember this guy/

I looked him up on cricinfo and there is only one under 19 game he played, no first class or anything else.

And the scorecard for that one game.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/engine/match/321856.html

A chap named Patrick Lambie played in that game.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/321781.html
Wonder what happened to him? :D

David Miller also played that game.
 
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"Only"? Good grief, Sire! If I were "only" 26th, I would be doing more than a few drams of the spiked coffee.



Never heard of the lad. From Wall's comment, it doesn't sound like he has the potential to make it into a half-decent side.



He can represent England. I heard they are looking for players for the National side. About 11 of them I hear. So he has more than a decent chance of making opening bowler at the mo :p

His story was featured on cricinfo by Firdose Moonda ( god, I hate her. she's a **** writer)

This is not a new story. It is about a cricketer, frustrated with what he terms 'lack of opportunity' in his home country. He sets up house abroad in the hope of making it elsewhere.

The country of origin is South Africa. The cricketer could be anyone from Kevin Pietersen, who blamed the quota system and not his own skills as an average offspinner at the time for his lack of success here, to Neil Wagner, who accepted he was struggling to force his way into a strong franchise team which included the likes of AB de Villiers, Faf du Plessis and the Morkel brothers and went to New Zealand, where he admitted the barriers to entry were lower. These players have one thing in common: they are all white. Until now.

Meet Siphe Mzaidume. The 24-year old quick from the coastal town of Port Alfred in South Africa's Eastern Cape, will qualify to play for England this June. He left this country for the same reasons as Pietersen and Wagner. But he is a black African and that makes this story quite different.

"The system in South Africa looks like it favours black players, but it does not," Mzaidume said. "People in high places say they are looking out for black players but they are not. Black players do not get the breaks they deserve. It would be great to be judged simply on your skills, which is what happens in England."

There's great irony in that statement. The merit argument is exactly why Pietersen said he turned his back on South Africa. He felt white players were being marginalised and players of colour unfairly fast-tracked. Mzaidume claims the opposite is true and that black African players are being deliberately overlooked because those in positions of power do not show any faith in them.

I was told that I was not good enough to be a professional player but I believed I was good enough. I didn't want to give up on my cricket career. When all you know is cricket, it's devastating to be told cricket is not your path
So the question really is, is Mzaidume good enough? Until 2009, he thought he had what it took to make it in South Africa. He played provincial cricket for Eastern Province at Under-13, 15 and 17 level before moving up coast to play for Border in East London at U-19 level. He was part of South Africa's 2007 U-19 training squad, which he described as a "fantastic experience," and spent two years at the Border academy.

Then, his progress stalled. "Unfortunately, I wasn't afforded the opportunities to progress further than that. I was told that I was not good enough to be a professional player but I believed I was good enough," he said. "I didn't want to give up on my cricket career. When all you know is cricket, it's devastating to be told cricket is not your path."

Along with Ayabulela Gqamane , Mzaidume went to England to try his luck there. "It was the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with. I struggled with the weather, to relate to the English guys, and I struggled with the culture," Mzaidume said. "But my dream was bigger than those problems. I went door-to-door to all the clubs in London looking for a trial. It was hard."

The pair did not travel together and Gqamane eventually returned to South Africa. Last season, he was contracted to the Warriors franchise and has since played for the South Africa A squad as well. "He was very fortunate and one of the few," Mzaidume said. "He can tell the opposite story from mine, so credit to him."

But Mzaidume stayed in the UK and finally got a break thanks to an unexpected source. He contacted Pietersen for tips. "He was one of my links. I wanted advice from KP as to how to go about this move," Mzaidume told South African talk radio station PowerFM. "He obviously left because of the quota system. It's quite ironic that it would probably have been easier for me to get into the system but I am leaving for a similar reason KP left."

His first gig was in the Northamptonshire premier league where he played for Wollastan in 2010. He then moved to Southern Oxfordshire and was also picked in the Northamptonshire second XI. In September 2011, he joined the county on a pre-season tour to... you guessed it... South Africa's Eastern Cape.

At the time, Mzaidume told journalist Peter Martin he had taken 27 wickets in the previous season at 15.30. Martin asked him if he would return to South Africa that summer but Mzaidume said he felt "my cricket future will be in England," and that he intended to, "spend as much time as possible in England as I am applying to get a British passport."

Mzaidume preferred the structures in England, because he felt they valued him. "Everything was just judged on performance which made it easy for me to progress through the ranks," he said. He went on to play for Holmesdale and spends off-seasons at clubs in Australia.

In November 2012, he took 9 for 47 for East Malvern Tooronga Cricket Club in Melbourne. The club's president, John Gilbert, said no-one could remember such a successful return in "more than 90 years of cricket played in Stonnington." Currently, Mzaidyme is playing for Horsham Cricket Association, also in Melbourne, and was part of a training session with the England squad during the recent Ashes.

Ultimately, its Mzaidume's goal to spend more than just one practice with them but he recognises he has a lot of work to do before that can happen. "I don't for one moment think I am going to walk into the England squad. I know I have a long way to go before that happens. But for me to be in a position to be picked for England is a dream for me," he said.

While he concentrates on his cricket , he has managed to pick up big-name sponsors such as Oakley, Blackberry and Adidas and also works as a brand ambassador. "I've pretty much got two careers which is quite hectic," he said. But he stresses it's better than having none at all.

While Greg Hayes, the development officer who discovered Makhaya Ntini, is "flummoxed to hear there are no opportunities for black guys," because "if you are good enough, there are plenty of opportunities." Mzaidume is adamant that the system is failing black African players. "I do feel let down by the system but the best way to try and fill that void is to make guys aware that the world is a big place - it's not the end of your dream," he said.

It's a foregone conclusion then that like Pietersen, Mzaidume will not consider returning to South Africa. "Never. I'd never come back. England has given me everything I have and I need to give something back."
So, how's that career in England working out?
 
Preston Mommsen, Scotland captain: Freddie and I got a nice partnership there. Gave us a nice platform. Sad we couldn't push harder and get it closer. It was hard not to go on and get a bigger score. Today was a huge learning experience, especially watching some of the best batsmen in the world. Saw how they kept their calm under pressure, so we could learn a lot. Sangakkara is definitely No. 1 in terms of the players we have had to play against. This is the level, this is the standard we want to compete at. We want to compete against Full Members more often. Today was a brilliant day for learning.

This is what I have been saying all along. The ICC and their henchmen (BCCI, CA and ECB) are intent in monopolising the game whereas it should be global. How the heck will the so-called minnows ever learn the art of facing Mitchell Johnson or Dale Steyn [-]or Stuart Broad[/-] or learn to bowl to AB or Virat Kohli [-]or Eoin Morgan[/-] if they never get opportunity.

I desperately want a level playing field. I desperately want to see more teams fighting close games like Bangladesh versus England... wait... poor choice. Sorry :( You know what I mean. Good grief, ICC! Come right!
 
This is what I have been saying all along. The ICC and their henchmen (BCCI, CA and ECB) are intent in monopolising the game whereas it should be global. How the heck will the so-called minnows ever learn the art of facing Mitchell Johnson or Dale Steyn [-]or Stuart Broad[/-] or learn to bowl to AB or Virat Kohli [-]or Eoin Morgan[/-] if they never get opportunity.

I desperately want a level playing field. I desperately want to see more teams fighting close games like Bangladesh versus England... wait... poor choice. Sorry :( You know what I mean. Good grief, ICC! Come right!

it's all about the money.
 
Interesting, I remember this guy/

I looked him up on cricinfo and there is only one under 19 game he played, no first class or anything else.

And the scorecard for that one game.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/engine/match/321856.html

A chap named Patrick Lambie played in that game.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/321781.html
Wonder what happened to him? :D

David Miller also played that game.

A couple of other "black" sounding names seem to have made careers for themselves.

Lambie! What a find! You'd think the least they would do is say he moved onto different playing fields? :D

His story was featured on cricinfo by Firdose Moonda ( god, I hate her. she's a **** writer)

So, how's that career in England working out?

I guess the lad will be "home" soon trying his luck here. Nah! England need him more right now.
 
"Only"? Good grief, Sire! If I were "only" 26th, I would be doing more than a few drams of the spiked coffee.



Never heard of the lad. From Wall's comment, it doesn't sound like he has the potential to make it into a half-decent side.



He can represent England. I heard they are looking for players for the National side. About 11 of them I hear. So he has more than a decent chance of making opening bowler at the mo :p

There was a huge fracas about him last year, when Fir**** Moonda published this article about him: http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/story/708559.html
 
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