Official June 2016 Tests Thread

[greg0205]

Weet net nie about a 15 nie... Hate playing players out of position 'tho... AC only picked one recognised full back, so I don't even think he has a solid plan B.

 

[Fulcrum29]

True but Lambie would make better decisions.

Another distant thought was JP Peterson at the back....with your suggestion of Willie on wing

Willie needs to be trialled within his respective rugby union, the Springboks are channelled with already conditioned players within specialised roles. The same with Kolbe, want to make him an scrummie, it is up to the WPRU.

Willie has everything to be the greatest #15 in SA, but… he has an on and off switch, which seems to be stuck on off.

Peterson may be over the hill in many people’s opinion, but his experience has also won us many games. Mvovo and Peterson should stay put as our specialised wingers. However, come the 2019 RWC, there is a good chance that Peterson should give way to the new, the rugby world cup preparation has already initiated…

I think we have a greater issue on the fullback than on the halfback. Faf is our future, but we need two more scrummies. We do have flyhalves, Lambie, Pollard (injured) and Jantjies, plus capable flyhalf reserves amongst the unions some which may come through in the next year or two.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Lambie is not available next week, and Lambie and Pollard is not exactly the best at tackling at the back. Willie should be experimented with back on the wing. Brummer will probably be promoted to the bench... I do not know what the A team is going to do... April was spooked.



I disagree, de Klerk took longer than usual, pick up the ball, run 2-3 steps horizontally, pass with an attacker already on the receiver. How many times did the Irish captain came straight through a ruck with de Klerk pondering his options? The Irish scrummie was three times better with controlling the play than de Klerk. Lambie barely had game time, the Irish was all over Elton, and Elton in my books was as spooked as April.

Murray is a LOT more experienced on this level, though. 50 odd caps, and Best played like an absolute beast. Also his 95th cap. They dug deep when they really needed to.

 

[KOPITE]

I think Taute could be an option, but his not match fit and needs game time atm. AC could employ Kolbe as a utility back which can cover positions like fullback, wing and scrum half position. We also lack pace at the back and can be used when needed. We definitely lacked that on Saturday. I hope AC see past the HM too small players as we clearly lack pace at the back. Petersen had a clear run in to the line, but he had no pace and were easily knocked out as we could have won the game.

Lambie is a good option at the back, but he like Petersen are dog slow I'm afraid.

 

[Agent_Smith]

Ruan Pienaar as emergency call up as flyhalf backup? Morne Steyn? Johan Goosen? Or will he look local. The two who played for the A side didn't cover themselves in glory.

 

[FoXtroT]

Ruan Pienaar as emergency call up as flyhalf backup? Morne Steyn? Johan Goosen? Or will he look local. The two who played for the A side didn't cover themselves in glory.

I would go Goosen. He has been playing well for Racing Metro.

I think Taute could be an option, but his not match fit and needs game time atm. AC could employ Kolbe as a utility back which can cover positions like fullback, wing and scrum half position. We also lack pace at the back and can be used when needed. We definitely lacked that on Saturday. I hope AC see past the HM too small players as we clearly lack pace at the back. Petersen had a clear run in to the line, but he had no pace and were easily knocked out as we could have won the game.

Lambie is a good option at the back, but he like Petersen are dog slow I'm afraid.

Flame me, but Kolbe is just too small for Test rugby anywhere other than scrummie.

 

[KOPITE]

Flame me, but Kolbe is just too small for Test rugby anywhere other than scrummie.

Your statement makes no sense. There is no such thing as too small. I could say Petersen is too slow for Test rugby as he needs to be in space to actually do something. Small players with big hearts out performs players like Spies or guys that's big. Your statement is just a myth.

Are you now going to say Jantjies is too small too for Test rugby

 

[faniebraai]

Your statement makes no sense. There is no such thing as too small. I could say Petersen is too slow for Test rugby as he needs to be in space to actually do something. Small players with big hearts out performs players like Spies or guys that's big. Your statement is just a myth.

Are you now going to say Jantjies is too small too for Test rugby

QFT

 

[FoXtroT]

Your statement makes no sense. There is no such thing as too small. I could say Petersen is too slow for Test rugby as he needs to be in space to actually do something. Small players with big hearts out performs players like Spies or guys that's big. Your statement is just a myth.

Are you now going to say Jantjies is too small too for Test rugby

Have you seen Kolbe confront players like Savea at full pace?

It doesn't end well for Kolbe 90% of the time and at test level you can't have that.

I'm not one of those that advocates for everyone in the backline to be 100kgs+ but you can't have your last line of defence being easily run over or swatted away like a fly.

For a Test level fullback you can't have someone who is 70kgs, no matter how big their heart is. If Kolbe was 10kgs heavier I would say yes, give him a go. Which is why I agree with Mallet when he says if Kolbe wants to have a go at test rugby he should move to scrumhalf. He plays there for Sevens and is bloody good at it. The couple of times he has had to pick up from the base of a ruck in 15s has also caused opposing teams huge problems due to his acceleration and stepping ability.


And no, I wouldn't call Janjties too small. Most flyhalfs are in the 80-90kg range. I do consider him a terrible defender though, but not because he is 'small'.

 

[faniebraai]

And no, I wouldn't call Janjties too small. Most flyhalfs are in the 80-90kg range. I do consider him a terrible defender though, but not because he is 'small'.

I wouldn't call Jantjies terrible by no measure... he's no Lambie, but god, have you seen Pollard?

He tries to tackle his opponents like he tackles that cherrie via skype during half-time.

 

[FoXtroT]

I wouldn't call Jantjies terrible by no measure... he's no Lambie, but god, have you seen Pollard?

Yeah, we not exactly blessed with a range of good defending flyhalfs

What sticks in my mind with Janjties (and with Goosen) is that All Black game at Soccer City in 2012 where the kiwis kept hitting the flyhalf channel with their loosies and Nonu. It didn't end well for us...

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Some players just don't really make the mustard when they reach the top level - regardless of their quality in lower level competitions. Jantjies strikes me as one of those. He simply struggled to handle the pressure on Saturday. Compare him to Paddy Jackson, for example, who's also a young'un. Jackson just looked so much more composed, even though on a player vs player level I'm sure Jantjies is actually better.

 

[faniebraai]

Some players just don't really make the mustard when they reach the top level - regardless of their quality in lower level competitions. Jantjies strikes me as one of those. He simply struggled to handle the pressure on Saturday. Compare him to Paddy Jackson, for example, who's also a young'un. Jackson just looked so much more composed, even though on a player vs player level I'm sure Jantjies is actually better.

I hope you are wrong.

 

[DWPTA]

Some players just don't really make the mustard when they reach the top level - regardless of their quality in lower level competitions. Jantjies strikes me as one of those. He simply struggled to handle the pressure on Saturday. Compare him to Paddy Jackson, for example, who's also a young'un. Jackson just looked so much more composed, even though on a player vs player level I'm sure Jantjies is actually better.

If the packs dominate the flyhalf looks good 90% of the time. As the old cliche goes, the game is won up front. The fact that the Boks didn't dominate up front, as this is suppose to be our strong point, we should've run away with the game.

The fact that people is trying to find scapegoats in the players are low blows. The fact is the whole team played below par. If the Boks forward had a dominant game and bet you that Jantjies would've gotten heaps of praise.

Not a attack on you, but in general what I've been reading, but anyways.

One last remark, how did Jantjies go when he was at the Stomers? AC's game plan doesn't suit Jantjies and more so the other Lions players. I suspect they will get more flack if we lose or just barely win at the Park.

 

[faniebraai]

If the packs dominate the flyhalf looks good 90% of the time. As the old cliche goes, the game is won up front. The fact that the Boks didn't dominate up front, as this is suppose to be our strong point, we should've run away with the game.

The fact that people is trying to find scapegoats in the players are low blows. The fact is the whole team played below par. If the Boks forward had a dominant game and bet you that Jantjies would've gotten heaps of praise.

Not a attack on you, but in general what I've been reading, but anyways.

One last remark, how did Jantjies go when he was at the Stomers? AC's game plan doesn't suit Jantjies and more so the other Lions players. I suspect they will get more flack if we lose or just barely win at the Park.

Game plan? They must first get one. They were playing a combination of Lions running game vs stamp-kar rugby... actually they were just schit and unorginazed.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Ellis Park is a likely win, higher altitude, schit pitch, the SA rugby strong hold. I also guess that the Irish will play an even lesser team (to give everyone game time and experience), then to throw everything back at us to conclude with the series on a high note.

 

[DWPTA]

Game plan? They must first get one. They were playing a combination of Lions running game vs stamp-kar rugby... actually they were just schit and unorginazed.

Yea was getting the same feeling. And I suspect we are going back to plain old stampkar rugby.

Ellis Park is a likely win, higher altitude, schit pitch, the SA rugby strong hold. I also guess that the Irish will play an even lesser team (to give everyone game time and experience), then to throw everything back at us to conclude with the series on a high note.

Could point, will also play the fringe players in JHB and then throw the kitchen sink in PE.

 

[Fulcrum29]

One last remark, how did Jantjies go when he was at the Stomers? AC's game plan doesn't suit Jantjies and more so the other Lions players.

Elton had two big issues while contracted with the Stormers,

1) He could not tackle, and
2) he could not kick.

 

[faniebraai]

Elton had two big issues while contracted with the Stormers,

1) He could not tackle, and
2) he could not kick.

from what i remember, every single lions player that ever left for the stormers, ended up schit or no-names.

if you want to render a player useless, send him to the stormers

 

[DWPTA]

Elton had two big issues while contracted with the Stormers,

1) He could not tackle, and
2) he could not kick.

Yet he is playing his best rugby of his life at the Lions? Why, because there is no stampkar rugby involved.

/Flamesuit on

Lions rugby, ie management is light years ahead of the Bok ones.

Everybody knows each ones weak point and the help each other out where that one is failing. That is why the Lions is a success, because each one plays for each other.