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Stickfigure said:
We did play a 4-2-3-1 formation last night.

Kagawa was supposed to be on the left, but he played more centre which is what pushed Welbeck to the left. He had a couple of breaks down the left wing.

Carrick playing as CB meant we didn't have anyone shielding the back 4 properly.

Can't believe you people still want to play Nani after last night. I'd stick Valencia on the right and Young on the left. Nani should be a 20 min sub until he gets his schit together.
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So why play such a complicated formation - if he wanted, he should stick to 4-5-1 with two wingers, two MF's and Kagawa behind Rooney

Nani is class and the best winger we have by a mile (not the most consistent though) - Everyone looked crappy bar Kagawa and De gea
 
dbecks said:
So why play such a complicated formation - if he wanted, he should stick to 4-5-1 with two wingers, two MF's and Kagawa behind Rooney

Nani is class and the best winger we have by a mile (not the most consistent though) - Everyone looked crappy bar Kagawa and De gea
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Yes Nani on his day is world class, but he has more off days than on days. He did absolutely nothing last night. Rooney was hopeless as well. He looked lost when he got the ball. I'd seriously start Kagawa in the hole and RvP up front and see how that works. Rooney can sit on the bench until he gets his form and fitness back.

Anyway as long as our midfield is weak, we'll struggle. Even SAF said so after the match that RvP got no service. We could get M'Vila or Strootman for around 15-17m. Really don't know why SAF doesn't as that's the exact type of player we need. Our midfield has been weak for the past 3-4 years now. No steel whatsoever.
 
evra needs to wake up and i hope that buttner can challenge him and take that spot ...but evra did play bad but i feel for him cause like i said for 70mins it was like he had the left all to him

but he needs to wake up tho

yeah rooney and kagawa linked well ..other than that rooney was schit

but yeah 1st game and lots of learning points for fergie ...we panic when its december and we lost more than 4 games
 
Stickfigure said:
SAF really should have bought a quality CDM. There's just no steel in the midfield. I honestly would've taken a quality CDM over Van Persie, seriously.

I will pray every night until Auguest 31st that we sign a CDM.
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There is no way you say no to RVP (besides we werent looking at a CDM and then when RVP was available, we just left that option) and I dont see why we cant get one now along with the other players we have bought

Strootman and M'vila are good options cause we do lack steel - but with what we have, we should deploying Ando along with Clevs and saying run run run hassle hassle hassel
 
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dbecks said:
There is no way you say no to RVP (besides we werent looking at a CDM and then when RVP was available, we just left that option) and I dont see why we cant get one now along with the other players we have bought
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the problem is scholes is not the scholes he was ..he can play 90mins but not run for 90mins

carrick cant play both cb adn cdm as well

so we need someone who can control ...
 
samr1wp said:
the problem is scholes is not the scholes he was ..he can play 90mins but not run for 90mins

carrick cant play both cb adn cdm as well

so we need someone who can control ...
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Agree that Scholes cant run for 90min but then he shouldnt play for the 90 either not so?

Carrick cant play CB and CDM - he is too slow and larthargic but better than what we currently have
 
Stickfigure said:
What happens when they come up against the likes of Yaya Toure?
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hassle hassle hassel - whats he gonna do with a player on him, its when he has the freedom to run that he hurts you?

Al Hilal did it in a pre season friendly

I however agree with you that we need a breaker/holding/hassling MF - im just trying to see how we can use our players we have for now
 
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Stickfigure said:
What happened when Park tried to hassle Yaya Toure last season? He bounced off of him and ended up on his ass on the pitch.
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yaya toure is a different league

when barca sold him i was like wtf ...only now i understand he couldnt fit in the team cause his role is a iniesta and busquets together
 
Stickfigure said:
What happened when Park tried to hassle Yaya Toure last season? He bounced off of him and ended up on his ass on the pitch.
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Park was played for the first time in 8 games = WTF - added to a kak formation and a midfield which included - Giggs Sholes and Carrick !!!!!
 
samr1wp said:
yaya toure is a different league

when barca sold him i was like wtf ...only now i understand he couldnt fit in the team cause his role is a iniesta and busquets together
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No doubt he is a great player and a big part of that MF.
 
My point is Cleverley and Anderson are both pretty small, If they come up against a superior midfielder in terms of size, strength, athleticism etc. they're going to struggle, no matter how much they hassle.
 
Stickfigure said:
My point is Cleverley and Anderson are both pretty small, If they come up against a superior midfielder in terms of size, strength, athleticism etc. they're going to struggle, no matter how much they hassle.
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The great thing about a 4-2-3-1 midfield is that the midfielders don't need to be big or strong. they can both be playmakers and just hold possesion in anticipation of 1/4 attacking players to open up - which if your attacking players are good enough isn't a problem.

I'm hoping we go for a McEachran/Oscar double pivot for next season. The opposition won't see the ball.

However, you can also have clearly creative and one harsher midfielder, but then you need to separate the roles properly (and the playmaker has to do a bit fo the work as well, unless he;s playing with someone called Gattuso ;) )
 
smokey said:
The great thing about a 4-2-3-1 midfield is that the midfielders don't need to be big or strong. they can both be playmakers and just hold possesion in anticipation of 1/4 attacking players to open up - which if your attacking players are good enough isn't a problem.

I'm hoping we go for a McEachran/Oscar double pivot for next season. The opposition won't see the ball.

However, you can also have clearly creative and one harsher midfielder, but then you need to separate the roles properly (and the playmaker has to do a bit fo the work as well, unless he;s playing with someone called Gattuso ;) )
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And how did the 4-2-3-1 formation work out for United last night? We got owned in the midfield by Fellani. Cleverley is still inexperienced, I don't rate Anderson at all. That's why I'd prefer if SAF bought a proper CDM. Won't happen though.
 
Stickfigure said:
And how did the 4-2-3-1 formation work out for United last night? We got owned in the midfield by Fellani. Cleverley is still inexperienced, I don't rate Anderson at all. That's why I'd prefer if SAF bought a proper CDM. Won't happen though.
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Then what is going to happen when Jones, Ferdinand and that other defender comes back. For the love of me can't get to his name. I think you guys have a decent midfield, just not a proper CDM. Maybe a bit contradictory there. What is happening with the KAKA deal ?
 
Stickfigure said:
And how did the 4-2-3-1 formation work out for United last night? We got owned in the midfield by Fellani. Cleverley is still inexperienced, I don't rate Anderson at all. That's why I'd prefer if SAF bought a proper CDM. Won't happen though.
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Thats becuase Carrick couldnt out jump or never even got infront of him to challenge - didnt matter what formation we played if non one was going to challenge him. Even if he wins the ball with someone challenging him, he cant get it to a player with the accuracy and freedom he did last night
 
Game of chance

hj2k_x said:
Don't know why the other one is still locked. The mods have no got back to me.

Here is an idea for the trouble-makers: Stop making trouble, then maybe, just maybe, this thread can stay open.

Yes, you know who you are.

So. point number one...United playing horribly for weeks now. Next three games - Sunderland in the league, Porto in the CL and Everton in the Fa Cup semi. Three wins would mean one huge step towards the quintuple. Anything less, and all could be lost.

What do the UNITED FANS reckon?
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There is a lot of chance in sports. Thus having van Persie doesn't necessarily assure Man U the championship. Things happen and we may be lucky!
 
Stickfigure said:
And how did the 4-2-3-1 formation work out for United last night? We got owned in the midfield by Fellani. Cleverley is still inexperienced, I don't rate Anderson at all. That's why I'd prefer if SAF bought a proper CDM. Won't happen though.
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I'm talking really good midfielders, two of them. All respect to Scholes (who might have another 10-15 good games in him) but he is not a good midfielder anymore in general. I'm scared this happening to us this season if Lamps continues to play regularly.
 
dbecks said:
Thats becuase Carrick couldnt out jump or never even got infront of him to challenge - didnt matter what formation we played if non one was going to challenge him. Even if he wins the ball with someone challenging him, he cant get it to a player with the accuracy and freedom he did last night
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Everton's midfielders had way too much space on the ball. How many times did Fellani head/chest down the ball to an open Everton player?

smokey said:
I'm talking really good midfielders, two of them. All respect to Scholes (who might have another 10-15 good games in him) but he is not a good midfielder anymore in general. I'm scared this happening to us this season if Lamps continues to play regularly.
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I agree. Scholes has still got a killer pass and can run the midfield if given lots of space, but he can be overrun very easily.
 
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