Official Man United Supporters' Thread

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Now you cherry-picking...

That was a game where Newcastle has 11 shots on target and our defenders scored 2 of the goals. Any other you can think of? I gave you more than one example

You misunderstand me, i wasnt trying to say i think Rvp behind Hernandez is the best formation. I was just trying to point out that its not the first time its been done and Rvp doesnt only play as an out an out striker (he can play both). There were other times when they did it last season. I think other games might be Stoke, WBA, Wigan and Fulham ( stand to be corrected though).
 
Carrick should not play for utd again. Rooney should be sold in Jan. And Moyes given a long term contract. Thank you
 
IMO you shouldn't have panic bought Fellaini. You were on the right track trying to get Fabregas, Thiago etc
 
EPL WITH CARRICK:
W D W W

EPL WITHOUT CARRICK:
D D L L

Actually thats interesting so i took it further:

With Carrick this season: 9 wins ,3 draws and 3 losses (60% win ratio)
Without Carrick : 2 wins, 3 draws and 2 losses (29 % win ratio)
 
Actually thats interesting so i took it further:

With Carrick this season: 9 wins ,3 draws and 3 losses (60% win ratio)
Without Carrick : 2 wins, 3 draws and 2 losses (29 % win ratio)

Watch this get disseminated into innocuous reasons for it happening, including the tea-lady running out of sugar and Woodward having diarrhea.

By the way, it reads similarly when you extrapolate that over longer periods of time. Not as bad, but not sure why some people can't realise that a higher winning margin with a player means that player is helping the team. It's not rocket science.
 
I think dbecks is the biggest troll in this entire thread. I mean someone can't really be Thaaat anti Carrick can they?
 
EPL WITH CARRICK:
W D W W

EPL WITHOUT CARRICK:
D D L L



:rolleyes:

Dont forget the other results

EPL WITH CARRICK:
D L W L L

And would you look at that - the one "W'' Rooney + RvP were playing (and even Ando)...
 
Dont forget the other results

EPL WITH CARRICK:
D L W L L

And would you look at that - the one "W'' Rooney + RvP were playing (and even Ando)...

Had nothing to do with the new manager coming in, hey :rolleyes:

Manchester United's win percentage, last 3 seasons

With Carrick - 72%
Without Carrick - 46%
 
I think dbecks is the biggest troll in this entire thread. I mean someone can't really be Thaaat anti Carrick can they?

Why am I trolling...I am discussing our MF and in particular Carrick (There is qute a split with whether or not he is good enough)
 
A very good post from another forum on discussing Carrick

Seeing as Carrick has become a hot topic around this forum of late, I would like to objectively look at this conundrum from a tactical point of view if you fellow reds will indulge me little. I took some time to make some comparisons. When asked why Carrick doesn't get involved more in the attacking aspect of the game, some reply and say he is a defensive midfielder/sweeper and attacking is not his role. So lets look at the top teams defensive midfielders. Arsenal = Flamini, Chelsea = Ramirez, City = Fernadinho, Pool = Leiva, Spurs = Dembele. Going by this, if Carrick really is a DM then no wonder our midfield is sliced through like butter by teams like Westbrom. All the aforementioned DM's are fast runners, good tacklers and very combative. Carrick is the opposite of those 3 attributes. Slow runner, poor tackler and passive/uncombative.

But then again some of his defenders dont think he is a DM and insist he instead needs a good DM alongside him to play well. Now there are 2 camps here. Some say he is instead a creative midfielder responsible for finding teammates, runs and splitting defences with his famed passing skills while some other midfielder does the dirty work. Well then lets look at the big teams creative midfielders/passers: Arsenal = Ozil, Chelsea = Oscar, City = Silva, Pool = Gerrard, Tottenham = Eriksen. Again by this comparison its no wonder our midfield forward play is poor because all the aforementioned players are masters at splitting defences and feeding strikers and wingers with scoring opportunities. It takes some hard thinking to remember a direct defence splitting pass or through ball from Carrick leading to an assist for a goal. I certainly dont remember any this season as yet. Honest.

The second camp among the above defenders who say he is not a DM claim that he is instead a deep lying playmaker spraying passes from deep and is usually ridiculously compared with xavi of Barca. The BPL does not have many players of this mold but the few who come close to it are Arteta at arsenal, Toure at City, Lampard at Chelsea or Sandro at Tottenham. The real deep lying pass masters are euro guys like xavi, pirlo, bastian and motta. But again, Carrick is nowhere even near these guys who are constantly creating assists for their team's goals every week and dominating possession above 60% per game.

So, which then begs the question, What exactly is Carrick or his tactcal role in the team? This question is never clearly answered by his supporters. All you get is quotes from managers and players praising him and some award he won last year e.t.c No concrete explanation. I honestly in good faith would like someone to try to define Carrick's role in a tactical way because I dont seem to understand it. All I know is that he is the player who gets unquestionably selected for every game in our midfield game after game even as we cry every day at how poor our midfield is and yet he is the only midfielder to constantly be in that midfield for every game while scapegoats like Ando and Clev who play once in a while are isolated for ridicule. I dont get it.
 
Had nothing to do with the new manager coming in, hey :rolleyes:

Well thats the thing, its obviously not only one thing. The change of management, Rvp injuries are also to blame. The point is though that Carrick has also been a big loss amongst the other things.

(There is qute a split with whether or not he is good enough)

If you are referring to about 5% of people as a split well then ok.
 
Had nothing to do with the new manager coming in, hey :rolleyes:
Yes my bad - its never him always someone or something else

MF pairing working well with out Carrick - coz the Opp werent attacking us
Scoring goals without Carrick - Opp was weak
Dominated with Carrick in the MF - coz he didnt have a WC partner with him

And so on and so on...

Other players get slashed after one game
 
A very good post from another forum on discussing Carrick

Lol. What an idiot post from that person. Dembele is a defensive mid? Lucas is fast? That nonsense also highlights that most of the others play at the base of a 4-2-3-1 with a partner in midfield, which Carrick either doesn't have, or has lightweights a la Anderson, Cleverly, Giggs etc. No wonder we flourished with Carrick and Scholes there. Who do we have now?

As for him being a bad tackler :erm: What utter BS.
Tackle
Michael Carrick, 3.9 per game
Yaya Toure, 1.6
Scott Parker, 4
Cheik Tiote, 3.1

Interceptions
Michael Carrick, 3.4
Yaya Toure, 1.2
Scott Parker, 2.3
Cheik Tiote, 2.7

Fouls
Michael Carrick, 0.5
Yaya Toure, 1.1
Scott Parker, 1.5
Cheik Tiote, 2.3

Dribbled by other Players
Michael Carrick, 0.9
Yaya Toure, 1.1
Scott Parker, 1.1
Cheik Tiote, 1.5

Michael-Carrick-Defensive-Stats-09-12.jpg


To round off that idiotic post, let's compare Squawka's rankings for defensive mids (actual defensive mids) mentioned:

Carrick.jpg


What nonsense. And if you believe things like that post you obviiously have no idea about the game of football.
 
I see Squawka ranks Carrick as second behind Rooney as the most important player this season, no surprise there.
 
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