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I hear what you're saying, but how can you define any setup as commercial?

Is anything other than "testing IP routing", or illegal file (mp3 / gamez / crackz / etc) considered as commercial?

I'm not talking about sharing internet access, please don't confuse the two.
 
Commercial: Involving a for-profit activity. Simple really. Said involvement need not be direct to qualify.

In your case, since the offices are generating profit, any WUG usage to enable that profit is not allowed.

I have no idea what the comment about "illegal file" sharing is there for - unless it is meant to cause irritation, in which case don't bother calling us.
 
who said I'm making any money from this? There's no money to be made. I work at one friend's office one day, and another friend's the next - sharing office space.

My comment about the file sharing relates to this. What measures do you have in place to stop this?

The traffic law says don't drive over 120km on a highway, but everyone does, every day. Who stops it? There are measures in place to fine those people.

No offence, but you need to be more open minded. Stop thinking about yourself, in your own world. Just cause someone is asking a simple question doesn't mean he's going to abuse you, your precious resources or anything else. Learn to be more polite to people.


Here's my (I'm trying to make this sound nice), WHAT STOPS ANYONE ON THE WUG NETWORK FROM ILLEGAL FILE SHARING, COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES, INTERNET SHARING, ETC?????
 
SoftDux said:
Here's my (I'm trying to make this sound nice), WHAT STOPS ANYONE ON THE WUG NETWORK FROM ILLEGAL FILE SHARING, COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES, INTERNET SHARING, ETC?????
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Oh, that's simple. The people on the WUG will.

EDIT: I'm struggling to see where anyone was impolite with you.. If it was Moederloos' comment about your mentioning file sharing, it wasn't impolite - file sharing really is a different matter.
 
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You have the answer in your own post:



Even though your not making money from the actual link, it is for business purposes, thus commercial.
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I see what you're trying to say, but in my case, it's not. I'm sharing office space with 2 client's, and driving up and down between the two to get the backups (my own backups) is costing me a crap load of money. I'm looking for alternatives, and I'm really not making any money of it. If the WUG guys had any bit of sense, they could have charged me for the services, and my funds could have been used to maintain & upgrade the network.
 
SoftDux said:
So, my question comes to this, how exactly do you implement security, and how to you block other people on the WUG to use your internet bandwidth? I'm asking more in the technical side, i.e. do you run separate IP subnets / networks, do you run VPN's, etc?
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Your wug router ( Normally a Mikrotik routerOS device ) has a very powerfull NAT'ing Firewall so you can block pretty much anything you want coming from the wug side.
 
Softdux - your chances of getting on the WUG are rapidly diminishing anyways.

Good luck with other providers.

Ciao
 
Thanx Obelix, a decent answer is all I wanted :)

So, basically I can block my internet, and network from prying eye on the WUG network and still be safe, right?

BUT, what about running a VPN on the WUG network, so that I can connect to my own three offices, to make backing up my own data, for myself, easier.
 
SoftDux said:
I see what you're trying to say, but in my case, it's not. I'm sharing office space with 2 client's, and driving up and down between the two to get the backups (my own backups) is costing me a crap load of money. I'm looking for alternatives, and I'm really not making any money of it.
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You might not be making money, but it is used to sustain a business, thus commercial.

SoftDux said:
If the WUG guys had any bit of sense, they could have charged me for the services, and my funds could have been used to maintain & upgrade the network.
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And if the WUG did this, it would be a commercial endeavour, which needs a very expensive license, and falls way outside of the mission statement of the WUGs.
 
If you want to join the WUG, you need to abide by its rules.
Using the WUG to sustain a business activity is considered as commercial use, and therefore disallowed.

We do not strictly police the WUG, but if we do notice anything suspicious or un-WUG, we have no problems with blocking access.
 
ponder said:
What do you do with encrypted traffic?
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If it becomes a problem, we'll have words with the people responsible for it.
Very simple.

It is an "open" network after all, and we're very open about its operations. If you feel it necessary to be underhanded, then we'll quite happily put an end to it.
 
guys, don't worry about it. I'd rather drive up and down the 40km trip, contributing towards the green house effects and CO2 emmisions, than having to make mega millions of WUG.

This is NOT to sustain business. I really just want an easy way to keep my own data in sync. But as can be seen, no one likes it when someone even mentions office, or anyting other than 'testing networking & IP routing'.
 
SoftDux said:
This is NOT to sustain business. I really just want an easy way to keep my own data in sync.
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Sorry, no. From your original post:

SoftDux said:
What "limits" / "rules" are in place to stop someone from setting up a wireless link from their house, to their office, to a client's office - all for business purposes. I'm asking this, causing I'm looking for a way to run backups for 2 clients to my house. The problem is, one is in Alberton, and another in Senderwood, and I can't find a current wireless provider that covers both places. I only want to connect the 3 LAN's, in order to run a backup server of each office to the other office. No internet.
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It's not your mentioning an office, it's your describing the commercial endeavours you want to use the WUG for that got us here. The paragraph above describes you doing backups for clients, which makes it commercial, and thus outside of the scope of the WUGs.

SoftDux said:
guys, don't worry about it. I'd rather drive up and down the 40km trip, contributing towards the green house effects and CO2 emmisions, than having to make mega millions of WUG.

This is NOT to sustain business. I really just want an easy way to keep my own data in sync. But as can be seen, no one likes it when someone even mentions office, or anyting other than 'testing networking & IP routing'.
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Don't get snippy - that would solve absolutely nothing very, very quickly.

The point is that the WUGs want to stay on the right side of the grey legal area. ICASA have taken down equipment before, and the WUGs choose to keep an unquestionably clean slate in terms of the licensing regulations to avoid something nasty like that. If the equipment gets taken down, who is going to pay the lawyers to get the WUG running again?

If you truly only want to backup your family photos and own mp3's from your home machine to your office machine, the WUG will be able to help. Backing up a client's family photo's and mp3's won't be allowed.
 
How about providing access to WUG via the internet through a gateway? Could I charge for that?
 
acidrain said:
Our equipment can only support a certain number of users and if, say one interface, gets flooded with 20 randomly connected pc's,
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And you solve this problem by connecting 20 homes with a DSLAM , install ONE 5.8ghz parabolic antenna which interfaces with the Wug highsight.

Thus instead of only having 20 users you would be able to have 400 users and preserve the spectrum.
 
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