Open source Windows applications

I've installed and gotten dozens of Linux destros up and running and once I've figured out how to install the correct audio driver, graphics driver, network driver, setup the proxy to play with the server, setup samba to see windows shares, gotten the latest patches and installs, and then gotten the development environment up and running (compiling the kernel etc.). Never the same for different Destros.

:confused: You're joking right? I would really like to see how you do this installation. You must be doing something wrong.
 
:confused: You're joking right? I would really like to see how you do this installation. You must be doing something wrong.

Yeah. Beside my nVidia drivers, I don't install a single driver :confused:
Why the kernel recompile? Ironically I use my Ubuntu install for serious development. I need my terminal!
 
VirtualBox

And they forgot to mention Virtual Box which is an awesome virtual machine software which runs on any platform
 
Uhm, you forgot the most important one :

ReactOs- iv never heard of that- but looking at the website,it looks really promising even if its still only in alpha- has anyone tried it yet

No mention of Blender... http://www.blender.org/

yeah lets not forget this one... one of my favourite OS apps of all time

Hahahaha, LOL... oh wait, what? I thought you were joking for a moment, then realised you were serious.

Linux, is only good for embedded applications and super-computers. As a desktop OS it's well simply awful.

After staring at the screen for a few moments, I invariably end up going back to a real OS like WinXP or Win7 and then do some real work.

I have never once had a hassle free experience with Linux, even Ubuntu 9.04 gave me the middle figure when I wanted to get something working, after some keyboard banging it eventually let me, but what a mission.

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it takes a while to get used to it after being indoctrinated with windows for years and years, but now days I run 99% of all my apps in linux and have not and will never look back- its superior to windows in every way IMHO except for the fact that not everything runs on it, but things are getting better in that dept
 
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:confused: You're joking right? I would really like to see how you do this installation. You must be doing something wrong.

What I mean is that over the last 10 years, since RedHat something or another I've had the dis-pleasure of installing a few different Destros. I'll admit I'm not a Linux guru, but that's the point, you almost have to be a Linux guru to get things done. I've always had problems with Linux. The amount of times I've asked the question I want to do this...? The answer comes back "that's easy you just go the .conf file in the bin thingy, or is it the other config file then edit the such and such line, using the arcane cmd line syntax which is completely unintuitive. And Bob's you uncle." Of course you try it (exactly as written on the piece of paper/email/forum/tech help) and then crash X, or can't load KDE, Gnome, driver failed, sorry re-install Linux, do not pass go, don't phone a friend, sorry it's dead.

I will admit that recently I've had a few reasonable experiences with Fedora Core and Ubuntu, installs worked, 95% of the drivers installed correctly for the correct devices. All the games worked (you know mine sweeper, solitaire etc.). But then I wanted to get something else not natively installed... oh bugger, sorry you have to compile the app before it will run, oh sorry the libs are old, your dependencies are out of date. But don't worry just get it off the internet, oh wait can't through the work proxy. But no problem, you can install an app that will translate Linux proxy speak to Windows proxy speak, they're not the same you know. Who knew... easy right?

Don't think for one second I believe Windows is superior, I don't. And Linux has it's place but NOT as a Desktop OS. I've very successfully used an older Linux with a Real Time Kernel Mod for a semi-real time commercial application. Moding the kernel was a great time saver, of course looking at the innards of the Kernel was pretty scary, there be Dragons. :eek:
 
Yeah. Beside my nVidia drivers, I don't install a single driver :confused:
Why the kernel recompile? Ironically I use my Ubuntu install for serious development. I need my terminal!

Don't be :confused:, I only use Linux for development. But I have to buy a decent IDE like SlickEdit because the native tools are pants. Eclipse comes close but isn't there yet.

Back in the day, you weren't a real Linuxette if you hadn't compiled your own kernel. No offence but what you're actually saying is that you're just a user.
 
What I mean is that over the last 10 years, since RedHat something or another I've had the dis-pleasure of installing a few different Destros. I'll admit I'm not a Linux guru, but that's the point, you almost have to be a Linux guru to get things done.
Don't feel bad :p

Last night, I had to delete pagefile.sys on C:, there was not enough space left to even do a defrag. I had to create a new pagefile.sys on a newly inserted drive... what a mission. Memory dumps were not important, so it was fine for me to move the swap file off of the system drive. Apparently XP can't cough up debug information unless the swap file is on C:. Luckily, my instincts *eventually* told me that I had to give "safe mode" a try. (Maybe I should have tried to log in as Administrator in the first place - that's the XP way, isn't it?)

After updating some trivial stuff and having to reboot about 20 times, XP decided to hang. Lovely. AVG anti-virus (what a foreign concept) became corrupted in the process. I had to download a bucket-full just to reinstall AVG, and - reboot, reboot, reboot.

Then, I discovered a "service" with a really strange name. It took up 99% of CPU cycles. Actually, most of the services in "Task Manager" have really strange names. Anyway, back to uninstall, reboot, reboot, uninstall, install, reboot, reboot, crash, rebooooooot....

Wow, last night was fun - and yes, Windows is SO ready for the desktop. :D
 
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Don't feel bad :p

Last night, I had to delete pagefile.sys on C:, there was not enough space left to even do a defrag. I had to create a new pagefile.sys on a newly inserted drive... what a mission. Memory dumps were not important, so it was fine for me to move the swap file off of the system drive. Apparently XP can't cough up debug information unless the swap file is on C:. Luckily, my instincts *eventually* told me that I had to give "safe mode" a try. (Maybe I should have tried to log in as Administrator in the first place - that's the XP way, isn't it?)

After updating some trivial stuff and having to reboot about 20 times, XP decided to hang. Lovely. AVG anti-virus (what a foreign concept) became corrupted in the process. I had to download a bucket-full just to reinstall AVG, and - reboot, reboot, reboot.

Then, I discovered a "service" with a really strange name. It took up 99% of CPU cycles. Actually, most of the services in "Task Manager" have really strange names. Anyway, back to uninstall, reboot, reboot, uninstall, install, reboot, reboot, crash, rebooooooot....

Wow, last night was fun - and yes, Windows is SO ready for the desktop. :D

Well, have you found what happens to linux on a drive that gets too full, you get an error to the tune of "no space to load gui...." and again have to manually type in commands to get the thing to start.

Your own fault for using avg, it just is not reliable, even the paid one.
 
What I mean is that over the last 10 years, since RedHat something or another I've had the dis-pleasure of installing a few different Destros. I'll admit I'm not a Linux guru, but that's the point, you almost have to be a Linux guru to get things done.

It seems, that you thought that Linux would work like Windows, which it doesn't. The command line is the most powerful part of any *nix OS (Solaris, AIX, BSD, Linux, Mac, etc.). Having config files in plain text, is a major advantage over any other OS, that use binary files, as you need the minimum amount of access to the system to fix it. Granted, to be able to fix some of the issues, you actually have to know how your system works, and what hardware you have, and how all these pieces work together.

Coming from a windows background, you will struggle with Linux, as windows tried to hide all the "complexity" from users. Which wasn't very smart in general, as it just dumbed down the user.

I have not have to compile any driver for about a year, so any new distro, should work without issues. It all depends on your hardware obviously, as 90% of the vendors don't produce any drivers for Linux, so it is up to the community to do that, which takes longer as the exact hardware specs are not freely available.

I can go on for a while more, but I would really suggest, that if you are serious about installing Linux, get somebody from your local Linux User Group, to assist you. In the process you will learn a lot, and maybe also see where you made a mistake (if you have).
 
Well, have you found what happens to linux on a drive that gets too full, you get an error to the tune of "no space to load gui...." and again have to manually type in commands to get the thing to start.

Your own fault for using avg, it just is not reliable, even the paid one.

That is what happens if you place your "/home" directory on the same partition as you root file system. In general it is a good idea to separate those two at least. Even on Windows, I place my "My Documents" folder on another drive, other than "C:". It just makes it easier to reinstall if I need to, and your files don't fill up the boot partition/drive.
 
I like GIMP too. Sometimes you have to RTFM a bit, but you will eventually get the hang of it.
+1

If all you do is crop/sharpen/enhance... snapshots, like most people do, then GIMP is probably overkill, anyway. Rather use the seriously crippled software that comes with your camera.
I must say, for these simple tasks, Google's Picasa impressed me quite a bit
 
Paint.Net is a pretty neat app for simple photo editing. Only thing it lacks is a path tool.
 
Don't feel bad :p

I don't.

Last night, I had to delete pagefile.sys on C:, there was not enough space left to even do a defrag. I had to create a new pagefile.sys on a newly inserted drive... what a mission. Memory dumps were not important, so it was fine for me to move the swap file off of the system drive. Apparently XP can't cough up debug information unless the swap file is on C:. Luckily, my instincts *eventually* told me that I had to give "safe mode" a try. (Maybe I should have tried to log in as Administrator in the first place - that's the XP way, isn't it?)

If you want to be a user then be a user, if you want to administrate a box then be the administrator... buck up boyo, even on Linux you have to be super user to get stuff done.

After updating some trivial stuff and having to reboot about 20 times, XP decided to hang. Lovely. AVG anti-virus (what a foreign concept) became corrupted in the process. I had to download a bucket-full just to reinstall AVG, and - reboot, reboot, reboot.

I've never used AVG, but as you should know the reason you don't need an anti-virus for Linux is that only about 1% of desktop users use Linux, it isn't profitable to target Linux for malware. Not enough people use it. Also it's actually quite easy to crack a Linux box. So your sense of supremacy is ill founded, nobody cares to crack you, must be lonely.

Then, I discovered a "service" with a really strange name. It took up 99% of CPU cycles. Actually, most of the services in "Task Manager" have really strange names. Anyway, back to uninstall, reboot, reboot, uninstall, install, reboot, reboot, crash, rebooooooot....

Wow, last night was fun - and yes, Windows is SO ready for the desktop. :D

I'm really sorry to hear about your "fun" night my condolences.

Last time I had a reboot marathon, yes of course they happen, was with a hardware problem - dud card, and the time before that was a malware infection that my wife got from her work.

Here is the real problem with Windows, it has to support a LARGE amount of hardware, software and different users. So it gets it right 95% of the time and wrong sometimes. That's actually very good.

Linux is getting there, slowly, but I don't believe it will ever overtake Windows, it's just not good enough. And there are too many Destros to choose from.

Windows 7 is very good, and brings lots of new features that make it a very well rounded OS. The eye candy is ok but ultimately it's under the hood that counts and Windows 7 is getting it right. I've only experienced good things from the RC I've been trying.
 
I've never used AVG, but as you should know the reason you don't need an anti-virus for Linux is that only about 1% of desktop users use Linux, it isn't profitable to target Linux for malware. Not enough people use it.
Nonsense, if you knew anything you'd know that Linux has represents a major share in server use. There's plenty of reasons why a malicious person would want to target servers.

And what about Linux haters? There has to be at least a handful of highly skilled programmers who detest Linux out there.. why wouldn't they target it just to prove a point?
Also it's actually quite easy to crack a Linux box.
How about you put your money where your mouth is and prove it.. :p
 
Had to install Red Hat Enterprise Linux recently on an Intel server.

Everything went well, except for the network card - had to compile the driver manually. This was done without a doddle as the driver installation package had enough information to get started.

First time I had to compile a NIC driver for Linux though...
 
Nonsense, if you knew anything you'd know that Linux has represents a major share in server use. There's plenty of reasons why a malicious person would want to target servers.

And what about Linux haters? There has to be at least a handful of highly skilled programmers who detest Linux out there.. why wouldn't they target it just to prove a point?

How about you put your money where your mouth is and prove it.. :p

I've got to agree there. It is only the home PC market in which Linux doesn't have a considerable presence. People tend to forget that little detail. There is plenty of important and potentially valuable information stored on Linux servers.

Desktop Linux is not for everyone. Those who don't want to know or who lack the ability to learn about (octagenerians I'm talking to you) how their computer works should rather stick to Windows.

However if you are willing to learn something different then Linux can be an awesome OS.


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Windows 7 is very good, and brings lots of new features that make it a very well rounded OS. The eye candy is ok but ultimately it's under the hood that counts and Windows 7 is getting it right. I've only experienced good things from the RC I've been trying.

This is something I have never really understood. What exactly does Windows7 do that XP didn't do?

What does Windows7 do that Linux doesn't do?

There must be something. Otherwise why buy the new system.

Windows7, Vista etc. all take incredible amounts of resources to run. I really don't see what it does with all that extra RAM and CPU cycles that XP didn't do with less resources and that Linux does with even less. I can't understand why you should require several Gb of RAM just to get an OS to boot up. The OS should use minimal resources to run itself and the available resources should be used for something...you know....productive.

Also I don't want the whole "more stuff can run on Windows than can run on Linux XD" answer, because the fact that development houses don't code for Linux is not the fault of Linux. I mean in terms of functionality what does Windows7 offer that XP or Linux don't offer? How does it justify all that resource usage?
 
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