Opera downloads double after Microsoft initiative

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Opera downloads double

Norway's Opera said Thursday that downloads of its browser more than doubled after Microsoft Corp. was forced to give European users a choice of Web software to settle European Union antitrust charges.
 
This is good, MS has pushed their bull**** browser onto unsuspecting victims for years.
 
This is good, MS has pushed their bull**** browser onto unsuspecting victims for years.

:confused: Microsoft has never stopped you from installing another browser. Less people were using Opera before because they didn't know about it. Why is it Microsoft's job to advertise other people's products?
 
:confused: Microsoft has never stopped you from installing another browser. Less people were using Opera before because they didn't know about it. Why is it Microsoft's job to advertise other people's products?

But they have included the browser with all their operating systems and people who didn't know any better didn't bother to look at the competition (hence the antitrust charges). Why do you think many people still sit with the dreaded IE6 on their desktops.
 
all this shows is how sheep-like the average user is.
i must say, in terms of standards, opera link and speed, opera has a good offering.
plugins and web dev not so much.
 
Still there

But they have included the browser with all their operating systems and people who didn't know any better didn't bother to look at the competition (hence the antitrust charges).
Why do you think many people still sit with the dreaded IE6 on their desktops.

I am sure a bit of scratching under the surface will show that Internet Exploder is stil part of the OS

It is there in spirit if not in name.

There was not enough time to remove it completely -- something MS will NEVER do -- so MS and the Europeans came to a compromise.

You can choose ANY browser you want -- but you can NEVER leave Internet Explorer.


MW
 
But they have included the browser with all their operating systems and people who didn't know any better didn't bother to look at the competition (hence the antitrust charges). Why do you think many people still sit with the dreaded IE6 on their desktops.

Then why don't they offer me a choice of media players? Windows Media Player comes installed by default if I remember correctly, so why don't they give me a box letting me choose to install Winamp, iTunes, Foobar etc.? Or a choice of which email client to use?

Don't get me wrong, I agree IE6 is a horrible browser, and I dislike how deeply it is (was?) embedded into the operating system, but I don't understand how it's a company's job to educate it's users about other company's alternatives to their products.
 
You can choose ANY browser you want -- but you can NEVER leave Internet Explorer.

Unfortunately, that is the truth.

Then why don't they offer me a choice of media players? Windows Media Player comes installed by default if I remember correctly, so why don't they give me a box letting me choose to install Winamp, iTunes, Foobar etc.? Or a choice of which email client to use?

I don't know, and frankly, I don't care. It probably has to do with web browsers being used much more than other software like media players. Whatever your opinion is about the matter, the final decision has been made and MS has to comply.
 
I am sure a bit of scratching under the surface will show that Internet Exploder is stil part of the OS

It is there in spirit if not in name.

It is. In spirit and name.

We at MS have consistently innovated new ideas and such that we have had to be deliberately understated in our naming conventions so as not to dazzle you with our sheer brillience. As such, the thing that navigates the files on you computer is called "Explorer" - it is the SIAMESE twin of something we call "Trident" which is integrated into a lot of apps that use the OS to render HTML elements of their apps. I know we were naughy, but we only did this because of the Netscape threat.

Aah, the Nestcape threat: It started with those pesky geeks at CERN that craeted a little mindless project and gave the source code away (that slaps me in every capitalist two-face that I have) and that started a snowball that those irritating bastids at Netscape latched on to ... in a Very Big Way. But here at MS, we didn't quite realise what this "browser" thing was, we had no idea what an internet was, and couldn't see the potential impact until they also threw in JavaScript. Then the pieces fell into place, we realised that this could become an Operating System unto itself and had to integrate the next-OS into our existing-OS. Hey, we OWN the OS, no-body is going to take that away from us.

So, getting back to that "Explorer" thing for your files, we then did what Netscape did: made a port of it to also "explore" pages on the internet. But we already had an Explorer, so we couldn't call the new toy "Explorer" too, but we like the name sooo much. It took us 3 years, 21 sub-comittees and a truck load of coffee to come up with that name, so it had to stay.

In these dot-com boom of the ninties, we bought a couple of those internet hob-nob yuppies to tell us a thing or two, and they had the solution: We re-branded and launched the variants:
- File Explorer and
- Internet Explorer

Remeber that I said we liked the name? Well, we liked it soo much we called just about every tool "Explorer"
- System explorer
- Network explorer
-etc.
It got so bad internally that we started dropping the "explorer" bits for the not-so-well-known tools, we then referred to "Network Admin" in "Control Panel" and that solved two birds...

Anyway, you can see the spirit of Explorer has never left, although we've dropped explorer from some of the names, all our explorer toosl are still integrated into the DNA of futuire computer because of the donkey called Trident. (Hey, that's our work-horse, only we are allowed to kick it.) We did good on that note: we integrated the engine of the browser into every app and into the OS itself, so whine all you want about IE6, it's engine is still in the circuit board. And then the USA gov slapped us in the face.
...

But I am sure you are well aware that we are changing those old erronous ways, Open Source is not so bad after all, we even own a couple of our own OSS licences. Bill is gone, Steve is still sweating, life will be good again. But those insignificant Opera people have bloodied our noses over in Europe with a hectic fine (Vista was a nice retalliation-in-kind, wasn't it?), and we're still playing catch-up on the browser wars ... hey, I thought we won the browser wars?!?!? ... We eliminated the Netscape threat.... browser ... Gecko, Webkit ... This is the new Operating System - Oh, my Fruck.
 
Then why don't they offer me a choice of media players? Windows Media Player comes installed by default if I remember correctly, so why don't they give me a box letting me choose to install Winamp, iTunes, Foobar etc.? Or a choice of which email client to use?

They may also do that. If they did, MS would have to obey or get the heck out of the EU. With MS having offices in Ireland to avoid paying US Federal tax MS won't do it, not also because the EU is a huge market too. This was probably not an issue as the MS Media Player does not play all formats and certainly in the beginning did not play MP3, it does not play H.264 natively (not before Vista) and it does not play DivX or XViD content etc. To play DVDs you also needed
a software player before Vista. Other formats like OGG, FLAC etc still don't play without 3rd party plugins etc. Of course WinAMP maybe didn't complain but if they complained and made a case, then the EU would have forced MS' hand.

Don't get me wrong, I agree IE6 is a horrible browser, and I dislike how deeply it is (was?) embedded into the operating system, but I don't understand how it's a company's job to educate it's users about other company's alternatives to their products.

See it as rectifying the wrongs they did. MS forced OEMs to bundle Windows. You couldn't buy a computer without an OS. MS forced OEMs to sell people Windows and if they advertised alternatives MS would not give them preferential pricing. Then having the desktop OS monopoly to itself, MS made IE part of Windows. They leveraged one monopoly (OS) to create a second one (browsers). Then MS started influencing Web standards and because NT is a major server os they had an incentive in that as well and for other reasons like pushing their virus prone tech - ActiveX, now Silverlight and other BS. Other companies could not compete. MS bundling of the OS was not fair or legal. MS bundling of the browsers was not fair or legal. Now instead of being kicked out of the EU - and the EU could easily do that - definately the European Parliament could do that since they only answer to the voters and not lobbies (European Commission) - they let MS off easily by making them make up for the damage they caused with this ballot screen. I applaud the European Commission for this act.

Think of MS as the vandal who now has to do community service by cleaning up some of the graffiti he painted.

If MS does not like this, they can get out of the EU. Of course MS shareholders would crucify the management if that happened as their stock and revenues would plummet. The European Commission / Parliament make the rules and as it is in the US where Congress makes the laws and in SA where our Parliament makes the rules, companies which want to operate in these localities have to follow the law or GET OUT.
 
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