Orania's experiment with crypto

[SauRoNZA]

It felt like racism. Case closed.

Smells like bullshit.

 

[Thorium]

Yes I clearly understand what both mean, you didn’t need to link me their explanations.

So please do explain how my statement amounted to racism for identifying the culture someone openly identifies themselves with?

I guess English isn’t your first language.

I guess that Pride is a problem.

 

[Vrotappel]

Smells like bullshit.

Yep your post where you called someone a racist. Think before you post. Some of us had enough of this BS.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Yep your post where you called someone a racist. Think before you post. Some of us had enough of this BS.

Well at least now I’m not the racist any more and I’ve called someone a racist apparently.

We are making progress.

Shame, that you can get so upright over something you seemingly can’t even grasp properly.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Or even worse...being an Afrikaner?

It's amazing how the real racists become evident in threads like these, those racists that automatically despise Afrikaners and white people in general.

You are a racist. Sies.

Please do explain how I’m supposed to be a racist of my own people and race.

I’d really love to hear this doozy.

W T F.

Then again I shouldn’t be surprised since it’s been clearly proven now that people in this thread have no idea what racism is, as is evidenced precisely by the statement above.

And it’s exactly this logic and ideology exampled here why I made the very comments I did about Orania and the people supporting it.

 

[Bewlen]

Cool.

You said "I never knew Dawie Roodt was a complete right wing nutcase.

Now I'll disregard his opinions even more in future."

Then I said "I read the article. What in your opinion makes any of what he said right-wing? Care to quote?"

Then you said "The simple fact of associating/supporting/integrating himself with Orania"

The I said "So nothing to backup your claim other than hurt fee-fee's?

Cool, you do you."

Then you said "Much easier than I expected to sift out all the Afrikaner, Orania supporters in this thread." (Thereby "complimenting" all "Afrikaner" supporters of this "cause". You extracted into a grouping, and proceeded to trivialize and mock the grouping. Noice. QUALIFIER: Unless your defence is "no it was purely an academic observation"! In which I retract any and all accusations, patent pending)

Then I said "Wait, for realz? You make some numbskull ignorant comment, get called on it, and then you... play the race card? "

Then you said "Jesus Christ....now I sommer pulled the race card?

Where exactly is the race card? That all Afrikaners happen to be white?" (well, yeah, you generalized to ethnicity and proceeded to mock. Like, duhhhhhh.)

Then I said "Racism definition: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

Afrikaner definition : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaners

Can I clear up some confusion for you?"

Then you said "Yes I clearly understand what both mean, you didn’t need to link me their explanations.

So please do explain how my statement amounted to racism for identifying the culture someone openly identifies themselves with?

I guess English isn’t your first language."

And now I did. See, you didn't just identify it. You mocked it. And I for one have had enough of being mocked. If I were to do that to any other race, it's called "racism", Clicks mandjies become weapons and newspaper headlines trumpet the injustice. What's good for the goose should be good for the gander. Now play by the rules of racism-intolerance, Social Justice Warrioriness and Righteous Indignation For All. Or suffer the label.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

BTC does not make sense to me on any level hence my wariness of it.

sure, I can understand wariness of BTC, my point is putting your life savings in ZAR, or mostly in ZAR, can be as risky at the best of times

essentially entrusting the ANC with your hard earned savings, does not make sense

not saying you do this, just that most South Africans do this

 

[SauRoNZA]

Cool.

You said "I never knew Dawie Roodt was a complete right wing nutcase.

Now I'll disregard his opinions even more in future."

Then I said "I read the article. What in your opinion makes any of what he said right-wing? Care to quote?"

Then you said "The simple fact of associating/supporting/integrating himself with Orania"

The I said "So nothing to backup your claim other than hurt fee-fee's?

Cool, you do you."

Then you said "Much easier than I expected to sift out all the Afrikaner, Orania supporters in this thread." (Thereby "complimenting" all "Afrikaner" supporters of this "cause". You extracted into a grouping, and proceeded to trivialize and mock the grouping. Noice. QUALIFIER: Unless your defence is "no it was purely an academic observation"! In which I retract any and all accusations, patent pending)

Then I said "Wait, for realz? You make some numbskull ignorant comment, get called on it, and then you... play the race card? "

Then you said "Jesus Christ....now I sommer pulled the race card?

Where exactly is the race card? That all Afrikaners happen to be white?" (well, yeah, you generalized to ethnicity and proceeded to mock. Like, duhhhhhh.)

Then I said "Racism definition: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

Afrikaner definition : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaners

Can I clear up some confusion for you?"

Then you said "Yes I clearly understand what both mean, you didn’t need to link me their explanations.

So please do explain how my statement amounted to racism for identifying the culture someone openly identifies themselves with?

I guess English isn’t your first language."

And now I did. See, you didn't just identify it. You mocked it. And I for one have had enough of being mocked. If I were to do that to any other race, it's called "racism", Clicks mandjies become weapons and newspaper headlines trumpet the injustice. What's good for the goose should be good for the gander. Now play by the rules of racism-intolerance, Social Justice Warrioriness and Righteous Indignation For All. Or suffer the label.

So to clear up some confusion for you I am white and of blended but largely Afrikaans heritage.

As such you’ll note that I said Afrikaner COMMA Orania supporting grouping the two together as one.

Which makes for a grouping of white people, who are Afrikaans by culture, and specifically linked to Orania as a very localised grouping.

Not the entire white race or Afrikaner culture as a whole because then I would make no sense as I’m included in that.

So that very small group with ideals supporting Orania being my “targets” I very much despise and they are the bigger problems in this country bowing down to Verwoerd, segregating themselves and being open racists while claiming not to be.

They epitomise everything that is wrong with white people’s attitudes and superiority complexes in this country.

It’s simply an ideology I can’t support. Same way I can’t support that of the EFF or a few others.

Is that better?

 

[Bewlen]

Is that better?

Only by a million miles.

 

[lumeer]

So to clear up some confusion for you I am white and of blended but largely Afrikaans heritage.

As such you’ll note that I said Afrikaner COMMA Orania supporting grouping the two together as one.

Which makes for a grouping of white people, who are Afrikaans by culture, and specifically linked to Orania as a very localised grouping.

Not the entire white race or Afrikaner culture as a whole because then I would make no sense as I’m included in that.

So that very small group with ideals supporting Orania being my “targets” I very much despise and they are the bigger problems in this country bowing down to Verwoerd, segregating themselves and being open racists while claiming not to be.

They epitomise everything that is wrong with white people’s attitudes and superiority complexes in this country.

It’s simply an ideology I can’t support. Same way I can’t support that of the EFF or a few others.

Is that better?

For me, not really. You ignored the substance of my first post in this thread and simply dismissed me as an Afrikaner Orania supporter because I disagreed with you. Also, the fact that you're white and of largely Afrikaans heritage is irrelevant here; it does not make your arguments any more sound.

 

[Wasabee!]

Much easier than I expected to sift out all the Afrikaner, Orania supporters in this thread.

Why not let them be? You seem to disprove of them, the Orania citizens and probably most Afrikaaners aswell at this stage just want a safe and prosperous environment, something the current government can't give them.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Why not let them be? You seem to disprove of them, the Orania citizens and probably most Afrikaaners aswell at this stage just want a safe and prosperous environment, something the current government can't give them.

That would be fine if they weren’t excluding others (based on their skin colour) in the process of doing so.

Nothing well has ever come of that behaviour the entire world over throughout history.

 

[Bewlen]

I forgot to be outraged about Dawie!

But seriously @SauRoNZA I think you're wrong about Dawie Roodt. The guy is an economist, loves his profession, and calls it with 70% less PC than the others. But because he is an Afrikaner, he takes some extra flak, undeserved imo. Nothing he said in the article can be construed as racist.

 

[John Tempus]

That would be fine if they weren’t excluding others (based on their skin colour) in the process of doing so.

Nothing well has ever come of that behaviour the entire world over throughout history.

Herein you claw at fallacies.

So I suspect if a black guy comes to your door you open it without question and give him a bed to lie in because discriminating would be wrong ?

The Orania property was bought by a small collective so if they wish to only have the place for people with purple skin then so be it. How does it affect your life other than judging from the sideline ?

If this is so unfair to other colours and creeds in South Africa, please tell me what is preventing them from doing the exact same thing with their own money or do they all feel that South Africa is perfectly great for them and they do not need a safe haven like this ?

I really hate the sugar coating judgemental attitude where it becomes immoral for someone or some group to decide the rules with the property they bought with their own money.

I would not give 2 shits if some black community decide to do something similar for Blacks only. Use their own money, build their own infrastructure and make their own rules as to who or what is allowed in their town.

Also Orania is much more cultural than racial. I can guarantee you if some khoi san who speaks afrikaans and is christian and follows the similar traditional cultural attributes they would also be welcomed. This is where the dividing factors come in, the Khoi or more commonly Coloureds are more nested and connected with the Afrikaans culture than the black South Africans and this is where black South Africans would not be an easy fit for the Orania rules per say.

The only reason Orania have these rules and the only reason why they exist in the first place is because whether you want to be blindfolded to the facts or are willing to accept the reality in South Africa is up to you but WHITE AFRIKANERS in South Africa is a hated group by the majority so what you deem as racist exclusion for these people is done out of cultural survival and safety.

If South Africa and the rainbow nation was crack up to what so many pretend it is then Orania would never have existed in the first place and everyone would have sung kumbaja around one big fireplace.

Just take a few minutes and actually read on their website what they are about before you sling your next finger of poop.

http://www.lief-orania.co.za/english.php

 

[SauRoNZA]

Herein you claw at fallacies.

So I suspect if a black guy comes to your door you open it without question and give him a bed to lie in because discriminating would be wrong ?

The Orania property was bought by a small collective so if they wish to only have the place for people with purple skin then so be it. How does it affect your life other than judging from the sideline ?

No because my door isn’t opened for others to come and live there, period.

But if I were to open my property for others to come live there and made that my business it should be open to all.

If this is so unfair to other colours and creeds in South Africa, please tell me what is preventing them from doing the exact same thing with their own money or do they all feel that South Africa is perfectly great for them and they do not need a safe haven like this ?

I really hate the sugar coating judgemental attitude where it becomes immoral for someone or some group to decide the rules with the property they bought with their own money.

The same logic would apply to any colour.

Also Orania is much more cultural than racial. I can guarantee you if some khoi san who speaks afrikaans and is christian and follows the similar traditional cultural attributes they would also be welcomed. This is where the dividing factors come in, the Khoi or more commonly Coloureds are more nested and connected with the Afrikaans culture than the black South Africans and this is where black South Africans would not be an easy fit for the Orania rules per say.

Guarantee away, non-whites are not allowed there.

Maybe a Portuguese or Spanish oke who is deeply Afrikaans and married to a boere meisie slips through the crack.

Afrikaans speaking is not the same as being an Afrikaner and therefore a coloured person doesn’t quality.

Coloured folk don’t have Afrikaans culture, they speak Afrikaans. Two very different things.

The only reason Orania have these rules and the only reason why they exist in the first place is because whether you want to be blindfolded to the facts or are willing to accept the reality in South Africa is up to you but WHITE AFRIKANERS in South Africa is a hated group by the majority so what you deem as racist exclusion for these people is done out of cultural survival and safety.

If South Africa and the rainbow nation was crack up to what so many pretend it is then Orania would never have existed in the first place and everyone would have sung kumbaja around one big fireplace.

And none of that changes anything about the fact that it’s a right wing haven.

There are many places you can sing Kumbaja around the fireplace and include everyone.

In fact how is your average security complex different from Orania except for letting everyone in who can afford to be there?

There is no need for the racial division. South Africa has a class problem, camouflaged as a racial one.

Just take a few minutes and actually read on their website what they are about before you sling your next finger of poop.

http://www.lief-orania.co.za/english.php

And of course as history has prove time and time again people always do exactly what they say.

Come on, pull the other one.

 

[sox63]

Lol @ "Whitecoin", I didn't know that's the street name for it. Quite fitting

 

[ArmatageShanks]

It felt like racism. Case closed.

And? What's the matter with racism? So you don't like other people? Baaaah too bad.

 

[BeerIsNotGood...]

I read "kriptiese" and my mind immediately goes to Noot vir Noot.

Stood vir Stood

 

[John Tempus]

No because my door isn’t opened for others to come and live there, period.

But if I were to open my property for others to come live there and made that my business it should be open to all.



The same logic would apply to any colour.




Guarantee away, non-whites are not allowed there.

Maybe a Portuguese or Spanish oke who is deeply Afrikaans and married to a boere meisie slips through the crack.

Afrikaans speaking is not the same as being an Afrikaner and therefore a coloured person doesn’t quality.

Coloured folk don’t have Afrikaans culture, they speak Afrikaans. Two very different things.



And none of that changes anything about the fact that it’s a right wing haven.

There are many places you can sing Kumbaja around the fireplace and include everyone.

In fact how is your average security complex different from Orania except for letting everyone in who can afford to be there?

There is no need for the racial division. South Africa has a class problem, camouflaged as a racial one.



And of course as history has prove time and time again people always do exactly what they say.

Come on, pull the other one.

Why isn't your door open to others to come visit ? Or did you make the rule not to have it open for others to visit ? Why did you make this rule with your own property in the first place ? Is it not better to include everyone and anyone to come in there ? It just is not fair to have a rule based on your own decision to exclude anyone from coming to your place.

You don't seem to understand what I am getting at, this is the essence of private property and Orania whether you like it or not is classified as PRIVATE PROPERTY thus they can decide who and what is welcome there.


Yes you figured it out. Orania is aggressively militant and co-opting a country take over with their 1000 strong army of citizens. Meanwhile what you refer to is named the EFF and they are welcomed and operational in greater South Africa. I think you have your eggs scrambled and confused with who the real dangers are and conflating it with Orania.

If you live in a country heading into a warzone and poverty it is the best survival strategy to build your own survival town. When SA goes deep enough into the shitter will you stay and just accept it or will you just run out of South Africa ? I am certain its the latter whereas the people in Orania are proud of South Africa and decided to build up a place that they could still feel safe in even though the rest of South Africa is going to ****.

These people should be applauded but then there is feckles cucks like you trying to label a small OPEN community, you can go there right now and investigate if you think they are progressing towards some evil empire.


ps. You are absolutely full of **** unless you are going to keep sitting on your high horse making up claims of who is accepted there and that its all about skin colour and not culture. I guess the Orania spokeperson is also just LYING here because you know much better and all the facts and nothing can convince you otherwise.

https://www.enca.com/news/orania-says-black-people-can-live-there-if-they-assimilate

Since I know you won't even bother to read the very short article or the recorded interview here is snippet.

"In a previous interview with eNCA, Orania Movement spokesperson James Kemp said anyone who is willing to integrate into that -- regardless of skin colour -- will be welcome in Orania."

Yes it has nothing to do with assimilating into a culture these guys are just playing the long con of fooling everyone with what I just quoted. /sarcasm

The bullshit headlines of "whites only town" is something the media concocted from day one to destroy any credibility of Orania. Since I followed the development process of Orania not once have they stated anything of the nature that it is "White only" , in fact if you are a white soutie who refuse to conform to afrikaans as primary language you would also not be welcome. Its about assimilating into a set culture with set values because the idea of complete diversity of cultures is what is destroying Europe right now and causing major issue in South Africa so if your set rules is based on cultural philosophy then skin colour is not the issue and people co exist much better.

I would never fit in with Orania but I can see the value and applaud them for it. In fact I would probably not even be accepted due to not conforming to any religion and still I can see Orania for what it is yet you struggle to see the facts from behind the lies you have already accepted as truth.


Some extra snippets for you to read about this evil place Orania, right ?

"In June 2007, the Cape Coloured community of Eersterust, outside Pretoria visited the Afrikaner enclave. The groups met to discuss community development and discussed methods of self-governance. On 4 July 2007 the town of Orania and the Northern Cape government agreed that all government levels should discuss the question of Orania's self-government.

Orania and the Xhosa community of Mnyameni signed a cooperation agreement in December 2012, to assist in the development of own institutions and the transfer of knowledge between the communities.

Boshoff rejected an invitation to the funeral of Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging (AWB) leader Eugene Terre'Blanche in April 2010, as he saw him as having chosen a path of confrontation and conflict. Boshoff IV also noted that the Orania concept was at odds with the baasskap system of the apartheid period."


You have 0 credibility at this point considering you keep commenting on baseless assumptions not backed by reality.

 

[Grant]

I adore this photo, like how eve thing is in my favorite language.

is it the sight of that yellow ford cortina that makes you all moist ?