Our gangster state

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Now that the ANC has managed to get rid of Julius Malema, its troublesome youth league president, and his rude sidekick Floyd Shivambu, the party might want to concentrate on something meatier. It might want to ask its president, Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma, what kind of rotten state he is running in its name.

The ANC sent Zuma to the Union Buildings. In its name, he governs South Africa. He should be accountable to it if he is not accountable to the rest of us, the citizenry.

He should now account to the ANC about why Richard Mdluli, the head of crime intelligence in the SA Police Service, is back at his desk and not in a court of law or behind bars for corruption.

Nothing smacks of corruption in this country as much as the figure of Mdluli, a man who is being mentioned as a possible national police commissioner. Nothing scares me more than the possibility that such a compromised figure stands to assume so much power.

This much we know is true, thanks to the incredibly brave work of journalists at the Mail& Guardian, the Sunday Times and the City Press newspapers. It is worth noting that these journalists would be in jail today if the Protection of Information Act were in operation.

Here is the first thing: within a year of his appointment to the crime intelligence job in 2009, Mdluli appointed seven of his relatives as secret agents. There is no dispute about this. As you read this, seven members of this man's family are drawing salaries from the national cash pile - money that could be used for the poor, the hungry, those who will die of the cold this winter because they have nowhere to sleep.

Instead, as City Press reported last weekend, it is costing the crime intelligence unit R5-million to employ Mdluli's relatives and supply them with luxury cars.

This is not corruption. This is looting. This is the mentality of people who believe they are invincible, that they are protected from on high. If Zuma is not protecting Mdluli, he should suspend and fire the man immediately for just this one piece of absolute corruption.

But there is more to this rot and the depth of it chills me to the bone. Mdluli was not interviewed by police management for the job he holds. He was instead interviewed by four politicians: Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa, State Security Minister Siyabonga Cwele, the then home affairs deputy minister Malusi Gigaba, who is now minister of public enterprises, and former safety and security deputy minister Susan Shabangu, who is now minister of mineral resources.

Mthethwa is a fierce Zuma defender and is actively campaigning for him to be re-elected as ANC president in Mangaung in December. So is Gigaba, who has acted as the main Zuma defender against attacks by Malema's ANC Youth League. You may also be interested to know that Mthethwa appears on one of the lists drawn up by the Zuma crowd to be in the ANC's top six after Mangaung.

Cwele is the man who has been firing intelligence services heads allegedly because they refused to be used to spy for Zuma. In March Moe Shaik left the State Security Agency. SSA director-general Jeff Maqetuka left in December and the head of the domestic branch, Gibson Njenje, left in September. Cwele is now master and commander of Zuma's spy network.

Mdluli's appointment was not just irregular. It was conspiratorial and it is a crime. These ministers should account for why they were on that panel in the first place and why the then acting national police commissioner, Tim Williams, and other police officials were not on the interviewing panel.

Why were four ministers interviewing a policeman? Were they instructed to hire him and dress up the whole thing?

Will they explain? Of course not. How can Mthethwa explain when, according to City Press, the Hawks were investigating claims that almost R200000 was paid from the crime intelligence slush fund for renovations to his house in KwaZulu-Natal? He is implicated in the crimes. He is compromised.

Mdluli was up on charges of murder, kidnapping, assault and intimidation. There were also charges of massive fraud involving the crime intelligence slush fund. The Mail & Guardian has revealed that those charges were dropped despite a letter from the inspector-general of intelligence, Faith Radebe, in March, in which she said that the National Prosecuting Authority should institute criminal charges against Mdluli: "We are of the opinion that the reasons advanced by the NPA in support of the withdrawal of the criminal charges are inaccurate and legally flawed. We therefore recommend that this matter be referred back to the NPA for the institution of the criminal charges."

That has not happened. Instead, Mdluli is in office and is already re-organising the crime intelligence unit so that it has oversight of all security arrangements for all ministers and dignitaries. What does this mean? Each and every one of Zuma's detractors will be under 24-hour surveillance by this compromised spy boss.

Where are the voices of Gwede Mantashe, Kgalema Motlanthe, Cyril Ramaphosa, Trevor Manuel and others when this rot is being perpetrated in their name? Where is the ANC of OR Tambo?

It is silent, quivering in fear of its own "deployee", Jacob Zuma, a man who is running what is now clearly a gangster state.
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http://www.timeslive.co.za/opinion/columnists/2012/04/30/our-gangster-state
 
Zuma's the biggest gangster of them all & he's surrounded himself with ANC yes-men, he keeps them in luxury jobs in exchange for their support and protection.

Just saying some of us said that this was gonna happen with the ANC in charge.
 
evilstebunny said:
Zuma's the biggest gangster of them all & he's surrounded himself with ANC yes-men, he keeps them in luxury jobs in exchange for their support and protection.

Just saying some of us said that this was gonna happen with the ANC in charge.
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This is politics as usual. Only in your imagination has anything "happened" that hasn't always happened.

Or do you think Politics was not a nice , clean , ethical business in South Africa before the A.N.C came along ? I shouldn't need to explain to you all of the scandals they were involved in. Heists, hits, torture, state sanctioned agitating to cause violence between groups, massive corruption, cronyism, nepotism, land theft, police state, illegal containment and improsinment, dehumanisation, massive opression etc etc etc. So I don't understanding what has "happened" that you were warning us about.
 
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fantasticfred said:
This is politics as usual. Only in your imagination has anything "happened" that hasn't always happened.

Or do you think Politics was not a nice , clean , ethical business in South Africa before the A.N.C came along ? I shouldn't need to explain to you all of the scandals they were involved in. Heists, hits, torture, state sanctioned agitating to cause violence between groups, massive corruption, cronyism, nepotism, land theft, police state, illegal containment and improsinment, dehumanisation, massive opression etc etc etc. So I don't understanding what has "happened" that you were warning us about.
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as long as we all agree that the ANC are no better than the apartheid government, because those are the standards YOU hold them up to
 
nivek said:
as long as we all agree that the ANC are no better than the apartheid government, because those are the standards YOU hold them up to
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Don't put words in my mouth. I am pragmatic about why people keep voting the A.N.C in even though they are crap. And the blame must be laid at the door of the previous government and their stupid short sightedness. Any anger at the people who vote A.N.C is misplaced as you can't blame them when what came before was so awful. I'm no A.N.C fan boy but sadly they won't be voted out because of the above reason. We can cry about it all we like but that's the reality for at least another 20 years in my opinion.

The only way to get people to see anyone as an alternative to the A.N.C is to show them you have changed and would not behave like the previous government if you were voted into power. But you will never do that when all we do is call their supporters stupid etc.
 
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fantasticfred said:
Don't put words in my mouth. I am pragmatic about why people keep voting the A.N.C in even though they are crap. And the blame must be laid at the door of the previous government and their stupid short sightedness. Any anger at the people who vote A.N.C is misplaced as you can't blame them when what came before was so awful. I'm no A.N.C fan boy but sadly they won't be voted out because of the above reason. We can cry about it all we like but that's the reality for at least another 20 years in my opinion.

The only way to get people to see anyone as an alternative to the A.N.C is to show them you have changed and would not behave like the previous government if you were voted into power. But you will never do that when all we do is call their supporters stupid etc.
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Weren't you banned under different names?
 
fantasticfred said:
Don't put words in my mouth. I am pragmatic about why people keep voting the A.N.C in even though they are crap. And the blame must be laid at the door of the previous government and their stupid short sightedness. Any anger at the people who vote A.N.C is misplaced as you can't blame them when what came before was so awful. I'm no A.N.C fan boy but sadly they won't be voted out because of the above reason. We can cry about it all we like but that's the reality for at least another 20 years in my opinion.

The only way to get people to see anyone as an alternative to the A.N.C is to show them you have changed and would not behave like the previous government if you were voted into power. But you will never do that when all we do is call their supporters stupid etc.
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This is far too sensible for mybb, you will probably be banned
 
zippy said:
This is far too sensible for mybb, you will probably be banned
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As long as he does not attack people Im sure he wont. People do not get banned here for being pragmatic. They get banned for being douches, catching forum fever (one of those online breakdowns) or being disgusting humans.
 
Nobody wants the old "Regime" back, but the ANC has turned out to be every bit as bad and even more so.... Other than the fact that everyone has "freedom" and "rights" there is nothing new / constructive or even positive coming from the current ANC leadership. The so called "Economic Freedom".... what is it, please somebody explain it to me ... I'm not "Economically Free" ... I am bound by contracts, bonds, HP, insurances ..... just to name a few... If I am considered the so called "Rich" or "Elite" who as Juju says "Eats the cheese" then really.... the people of South Africa are very ignorant....
 
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fantasticfred said:
Don't put words in my mouth. I am pragmatic about why people keep voting the A.N.C in even though they are crap. And the blame must be laid at the door of the previous government and their stupid short sightedness. Any anger at the people who vote A.N.C is misplaced as you can't blame them when what came before was so awful. I'm no A.N.C fan boy but sadly they won't be voted out because of the above reason. We can cry about it all we like but that's the reality for at least another 20 years in my opinion.

The only way to get people to see anyone as an alternative to the A.N.C is to show them you have changed and would not behave like the previous government if you were voted into power. But you will never do that when all we do is call their supporters stupid etc.
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You talk about the "previous government", but I'm sure you mean the "previous (Mbeki x2), previous (Mandela), previous (FW) government"?
Just because Mbeki and Mandela were/is part of the ANC does not make the governments the same.
It might be shorter to just say "NP government", "apartheid government" or "pre-democracy government".

Corruption and nepotism is the two main reasons why SA is not further along to success. The government is stuck in the past, and can't go forward as long as it accept that it now have responsibilities to all citizens of SA. The time for struggling ended in '94, and they should have left their struggle mindset there, instead they tried to structure the government as the struggle movement was structured.
 
@Nod ... I put it to you this way

NP (Pre 1994) Stole from the Black people - Absolutely with out a doubt
ANC Post 1994 Steal from everyone!
 
IRG said:
@Nod ... I put it to you this way

NP (Pre 1994) Stole from the Black people - Absolutely with out a doubt
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I wouldn't say "stole", more withheld (education, jobs, etc). Maybe "stole" ito land, but they also did this to white families on a lesser scale.
With the pre-'94 government there were also nepotism and corruption, but it certainly did not happen on the scale it did today. How many of the ministers of those days live in riches with multiple homes and frequent overseas trips? In fact, I would have thought that the news would be full of their everyday lives if they had been living the way the current government is living.
 
I worded it as so to describe the fact that their rights were "stolen" .... so take it more figuratively ;)

We all know we used to live in a "Militarized police State" and regardless of your ethnicity, you feared the government and did what you were told... (this is why white people don't strike - we never learned how and would never have dared too in the old days!)
 
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It would appear that the major problem with SA Govts (both pre and post democracy) is the total lack of public accountability. In the UK ministers and MPs are fired or resign over inflating S&T costs etc.
 
Agreed TonyA .. hell if there is even a whiff of a scandal such as an extramarital affair then they resign ... No need to mention our presidents antics (shower and all)
 
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