sparticus
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LOL so we both joined in 2007 June but I am the noob ? Why ? By virtue that you have more post's ? I can easily also up my post count with drivel.
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LOL so we both joined in 2007 June but I am the noob ? Why ? By virtue that you have more post's ? I can easily also up my post count with drivel.
sparticus
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By Karen Breytenbach and Noah Barron
It has been claimed that bombings of city nightclubs and restaurants in the 1990s were the work of mafia protection rackets of which Ulianitski was a part, and not People Against Gangsterism and Drugs (Pagad) as the public was led to believe, amid shocking revelations about the life of Yuri "the Russian" Ulianitski.
A reliable source told the Cape Times that Moroccans, headed by Ulianitski, had intimidated the owners of some of these establishments to use them as bouncers.
"There was a very strong belief" that the blasts were part of their "reign of terror" in the city at the time."
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'Few expected him to survive as long as he did'
People with this information were too scared to testify and, therefore, the bombings were never solved.
Underworld bosses were protected by a number of corrupt law enforcement officials and politicians were entertained by "girls" organised by Ulianitski and his associates.
"Yuri had many enemies back then, and he even had a few run-ins with his own associates. Rumours were going around that someone was planning to have him killed back then already. Few expected him to survive as long as he did," the source said.
Yuri's daughter Yulia, four, made animal figurines out of pizza dough at the dinner table the night she died, said the owner of the restaurant where Ulianitski and his family dined.
He said staff had given her a chocolate mousse cake with a single candle to blow out to celebrate her father's birthday.
'It's a terrible thing'
"He accumulated this reputation as an evil villain," he said, "But (Yuri) was always friendly, he tipped the waitresses well, was never drunk and never intimidated anybody," said the restaurateur.
He said Ulianitski was in "fantastic spirits" on the night of his murder.
Ulianitski became involved in cage fighting when he arrived in Cape Town in the early 1990s, a source claimed.
He became involved in private security through these connections, acting as a bodyguard to now jailed Hard Livings gang boss Rashid Staggie.
Ulianitski became known as a feared debt collector in Cape Town and Johannesburg. The source said he "broke bones".
About 400 cases were opened against Ulianitski and his men, but this never bore fruit - it was alleged, at least in part, because of corrupt police officials.
He was later "forced out of Cape Town" and for a while worked the nightclubs of Somerset West and Gordon's Bay.
Yet "Yuri the Russian" was no kingpin, said Charles Goredema, senior researcher on organised crime at the Institute for Security Studies (ISS) in Cape Town. "He was just a middleman."
Goredema said Ulianitski's death would leave a vacuum in the nightclub protection racketeering world. "A rival from his syndicate will fill it."
But for most of Cape Town's gangland, it's still business as usual. "The power (of the Russian mob) ebbs and flows," Goredema said.
Gregory Fedele, manager of Teazers in Cape Town and a close friend of Ulianitski, said he was "very shocked" by the murders. The killing of a child in the crossfire "was inexcusable, even in the gangster world".
"Some people had a good relationship (with Yuri), some did not, but I did," said Fedele. "In the nightclub world, he was known as a gentleman."
Fedele refused to speculate about who was behind the fatal attack.
Mark Kozhanow, the manager of strip club House of Rasputin, said: "It's a terrible thing."
Ulianitski and his daughter were killed in his new Audi Q7 on the way home from his 34th birthday celebration at a Milnerton restaurant.
Gordon Blampied, dealer principal at the Cape Town Audi Centre on the N1, said Ulianitski had purchased the vehicle, valued at about R600 000, just a few weeks ago.
Many believe crime figures like Ulianitski used the porous borders of South Africa to bring sex workers from Eastern Europe into the country.
Ulianitski was involved as a "protection-enforcer" at an upmarket brothel in Milnerton, where most workers were from Bulgaria and Russia, a source told the Cape Times.
A source inside the Cape Town wrestling world said Ulianitski had come to South Africa to coach the South African Olympic wrestling team and became embroiled in the nightclub/bouncing scene.
Sue le Roux, the doctor treating Ulianitski's wife, Irina, said doctors were waiting for her condition to stabilise before she underwent an operation on her arm.
Le Roux said Irina Ulianitski was "lucky" that the four bullets, which hit her in the stomach and arm, had not caused more damage. Although Ulianitski was in a stable medical condition, she needed psychological counselling.
Hospital spokesperson Tania Stroobants said her parents-in-law were at her bedside. Her parents are in the Ukraine.
Uniformed private security guards hired by the family were patrolling the corridors of the hospital.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=vn20070601011908713C666095
Granted I was wrong as no conclusive evidence was ever produced but I suppose the same can be said re PAGAD.
It has been claimed that bombings of city nightclubs and restaurants in the 1990s were the work of mafia protection rackets of which Ulianitski was a part, and not People Against Gangsterism and Drugs (Pagad) as the public was led to believe, amid shocking revelations about the life of Yuri "the Russian" Ulianitski.
A reliable source told the Cape Times that Moroccans, headed by Ulianitski, had intimidated the owners of some of these establishments to use them as bouncers.
"There was a very strong belief" that the blasts were part of their "reign of terror" in the city at the time."
Continues Below ↓
'Few expected him to survive as long as he did'
People with this information were too scared to testify and, therefore, the bombings were never solved.
Underworld bosses were protected by a number of corrupt law enforcement officials and politicians were entertained by "girls" organised by Ulianitski and his associates.
"Yuri had many enemies back then, and he even had a few run-ins with his own associates. Rumours were going around that someone was planning to have him killed back then already. Few expected him to survive as long as he did," the source said.
Yuri's daughter Yulia, four, made animal figurines out of pizza dough at the dinner table the night she died, said the owner of the restaurant where Ulianitski and his family dined.
He said staff had given her a chocolate mousse cake with a single candle to blow out to celebrate her father's birthday.
'It's a terrible thing'
"He accumulated this reputation as an evil villain," he said, "But (Yuri) was always friendly, he tipped the waitresses well, was never drunk and never intimidated anybody," said the restaurateur.
He said Ulianitski was in "fantastic spirits" on the night of his murder.
Ulianitski became involved in cage fighting when he arrived in Cape Town in the early 1990s, a source claimed.
He became involved in private security through these connections, acting as a bodyguard to now jailed Hard Livings gang boss Rashid Staggie.
Ulianitski became known as a feared debt collector in Cape Town and Johannesburg. The source said he "broke bones".
About 400 cases were opened against Ulianitski and his men, but this never bore fruit - it was alleged, at least in part, because of corrupt police officials.
He was later "forced out of Cape Town" and for a while worked the nightclubs of Somerset West and Gordon's Bay.
Yet "Yuri the Russian" was no kingpin, said Charles Goredema, senior researcher on organised crime at the Institute for Security Studies (ISS) in Cape Town. "He was just a middleman."
Goredema said Ulianitski's death would leave a vacuum in the nightclub protection racketeering world. "A rival from his syndicate will fill it."
But for most of Cape Town's gangland, it's still business as usual. "The power (of the Russian mob) ebbs and flows," Goredema said.
Gregory Fedele, manager of Teazers in Cape Town and a close friend of Ulianitski, said he was "very shocked" by the murders. The killing of a child in the crossfire "was inexcusable, even in the gangster world".
"Some people had a good relationship (with Yuri), some did not, but I did," said Fedele. "In the nightclub world, he was known as a gentleman."
Fedele refused to speculate about who was behind the fatal attack.
Mark Kozhanow, the manager of strip club House of Rasputin, said: "It's a terrible thing."
Ulianitski and his daughter were killed in his new Audi Q7 on the way home from his 34th birthday celebration at a Milnerton restaurant.
Gordon Blampied, dealer principal at the Cape Town Audi Centre on the N1, said Ulianitski had purchased the vehicle, valued at about R600 000, just a few weeks ago.
Many believe crime figures like Ulianitski used the porous borders of South Africa to bring sex workers from Eastern Europe into the country.
Ulianitski was involved as a "protection-enforcer" at an upmarket brothel in Milnerton, where most workers were from Bulgaria and Russia, a source told the Cape Times.
A source inside the Cape Town wrestling world said Ulianitski had come to South Africa to coach the South African Olympic wrestling team and became embroiled in the nightclub/bouncing scene.
Sue le Roux, the doctor treating Ulianitski's wife, Irina, said doctors were waiting for her condition to stabilise before she underwent an operation on her arm.
Le Roux said Irina Ulianitski was "lucky" that the four bullets, which hit her in the stomach and arm, had not caused more damage. Although Ulianitski was in a stable medical condition, she needed psychological counselling.
Hospital spokesperson Tania Stroobants said her parents-in-law were at her bedside. Her parents are in the Ukraine.
Uniformed private security guards hired by the family were patrolling the corridors of the hospital.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=vn20070601011908713C666095
Granted I was wrong as no conclusive evidence was ever produced but I suppose the same can be said re PAGAD.
R13...
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sparticus, are you a pwn star by any chance?
sparticus
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No , I dont even know what you talkign about ? Why ?
sparticus
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Dunno if this helps but I played online chess a few years ago as pawnmaster ??? Anyway Frankie you a idiot and I will cease debating with you as I see you like to stir , Do you hate muslims ? or just people in general ?
Sackboy
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sparticus
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Errr... read my post again before starting insults. You may even like it.
True , I think u both on the same page btw.
d0b33
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Well no one was convicted of the bombings.... but the bombings stopped after a few arrests were made, I need to look it up.
sparticus
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Just because muslims protested against the movie does not mean they are going to bomb it , my goodness u have been indoctrinated , did you see my above post about the Russian Mobs ?
I suppose we should say all Christians are terrorist because of the crap that happend in Ireland ? The problem for me is why bring in Religion ? Why paint everyone with the same brush ? Are you that Naive ? Do you believe in everything the media tells u ? I suppose that u also believeed Goerge Bush won his second term elections fair and square ? And that the USA was right to enter in a war against Iraq cos they saved them and it has nothing to so with the Oil and money ? Common please man.
Yes, AND among the charges were: possession of illegal firearms and explosives, exactly the kind of explosives which were used in the the bombings.
Keep up the insults/abuse and you're more likely to see your post count going backwards
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sparticus
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True but one can also look at it as it stopped after a few statements by the perps was made , besides after the bombing stopped the Pagad leadership changed the a more militant leadership with Abdus Salaam and the Qibla movement joining forces with PAGAD. This essentially is when the real problems started and I agree that what happend then borderlines at least as terrorist acts.
The publicly threatened to bomb the cinemas, the cinemas got bombed. No indoctrination required to understand that bit of logic.
Are you that much of an idiot? Where did I say that all Muslims are terrorists?
You're making yourself look dumb with the stupid assumptions you're throwing around.
sparticus
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Like I have said Pagad post the addition of Qibla was much more militant but then the argument could be that is was Qibla under the guise of Pagad. The original leaders of PAGAD split in 96.
So tell me do you believe everything the media tells you?
marine1
Honorary Master
Seems like the only idiot here is you.
he doesnt want to face facts, just throw insults, maybe we struck a nerve
he posts links to news articles and then asks this? Bwahahahah
Go read up on your history twinkie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAGAD
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sparticus
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Seems like the only idiot here is you.
he doesnt want to face facts, just throw insults, maybe we struck a nerve
he posts links to news articles and then asks this? Bwahahahah
Go read up on your history twinkie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAGAD
Actually I only posted the link in response to the querry , what did you expect me to do ? Say it is so cos I say so , The only way form of info you seem to believe in via the media so I showed you it was in the media as well.
You aint stuck no nerve , I still get to go home to my lovely family and nice Job , I am not that juvenile to let petty things affect my life in any way. I like to banter and have an opinion but that all it is , my opinion. If you dont like it then hey great , say so and congrats.
PS - Still think u an idiot though but have a blessed Ramadaan.
mac_mac74
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PAGAD's aim is to clear out the druglords to enable their members to take over the market!!
i suggest we start PAPAGAD (People Against People Against Gangsters and Drugs)
i suggest we start PAPAGAD (People Against People Against Gangsters and Drugs)
sparticus
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LOL ,actually when Qibla joined I felt the exact same way. Remember there was also a PASAP ? Poeple against Sodism and prostitution ? They still claimed resposonsibility for a few bombs in Greenpoints.