Passing the buck - Ambitious plan to ease train overcrowding

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Ambitious plan to ease train overcrowding

Cape Town businesses have been asked to buy into Metrorail's plan for companies to stagger employees' working hours and for schools to start
later in a bid to alleviate peak-hour overcrowding on trains.

Metrorail Western Cape manager Stephen Ngobeni appealed to businesses to stagger the work hours of employees who travel by train, as part of a plan that companies and unions say has merits.

The Cape Argus revealed that Metrorail and the provincial departments of education and transport and public works have been in discussions for four months and the plan for schools could be implemented as early as the last quarter of this year or the first school term next year.

Metrorail's idea has received a thumbs-up from MEC for Transport and Public Works Marius Fransman.

What is ambitious about this ?

Once again the public get dumped with the problem.

No power - you must cut down your usage.
No water - you must use less water.
No sewage system ...
No decent public transport - well let's start schools later ( great idea - all the parents will have to start work later as well ).

How about an ambitious plan to upgrade the transport system.
 
No decent public transport - well let's start schools later ( great idea - all the parents will have to start work later as well ).

Exactly.

The stupidity of this country's "elected" officials is mind boggling.
 
They must stop thinking like {insert word here} and pull their fingers out their @sses. :mad::mad:

I travel by train and there is no service to speak of. The trains are overcrowded & metro passengers take over metro plus coaches because there is no space in 3rd class. If one train is cancelled, it is even worse!! People behave like animals to get on trains!! :eek::eek: Maybe the coaches should be converted to cattle carts. Then they can get more people in.

Maintenance seems to be the biggest problem. Trains are withdrawn from service at regular intervals.
 
They really do need to stagger school hours, particularly in areas where there are many schools in close proximity. During school holidays it is easy to see how much traffic has been contributed by schools.

Wht shouldn't businesses and schools have staggered hours to ease congestion?
 
They really do need to stagger school hours, particularly in areas where there are many schools in close proximity. During school holidays it is easy to see how much traffic has been contributed by schools.

Wht shouldn't businesses and schools have staggered hours to ease congestion?

Because people need to drop their kids off on the way to work? Because if you have two kids at different schools (eg. Primary and High), it really helps if their starting hours, at least, are the same?
 
They really do need to stagger school hours, particularly in areas where there are many schools in close proximity. During school holidays it is easy to see how much traffic has been contributed by schools.

Wht shouldn't businesses and schools have staggered hours to ease congestion?

Because people need to drop their kids off on the way to work? Because if you have two kids at different schools (eg. Primary and High), it really helps if their starting hours, at least, are the same?

Exactly.
And one needs to collect them too.
This whole brilliant plan reminds me of a while back when we were told to "go to work earlier to beat the traffic during load shedding". Great idea - drop little Moedie at school at 4:30am shall I?
 
Piles of money is poured into Gautrain.

Why not upgrade existing infrastructure in ZA?

Double the available rails, tripple the number of trains etc.

If ZA could achieve something like a train every 10 minutes 6:00 to 18:00 on the existing Metro routes, it would solve many problems.

Including killing the viability of a number of taxi routes...
 
Piles of money is poured into Gautrain.

Why not upgrade existing infrastructure in ZA?

Double the available rails, tripple the number of trains etc.

If ZA could achieve something like a train every 10 minutes 6:00 to 18:00 on the existing Metro routes, it would solve many problems.

Including killing the viability of a number of taxi routes...

Curse the taxi!

Let their tires go flat!
 
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=&art_id=nw20080314094545914C401821



What is ambitious about this ?

Once again the public get dumped with the problem.

No power - you must cut down your usage.
No water - you must use less water.
No sewage system ...
No decent public transport - well let's start schools later ( great idea - all the parents will have to start work later as well ).

How about an ambitious plan to upgrade the transport system.

Once again let us all attack every idea that is South African because deep down inside we are big racists and don't like the government and anything it comes up with.

I have for a long time thought that if companies changed their working hours then traffic could easily be relieved. My company does that, we start a bit earlier and finish a bit earlier, and believe it helps with traffic a lot.

Its the logical thing to do. Its not about government failure or the public being left carrying the buck, its about the fact that the population is growing and there isn't enough place for everyone on a train. Just a few years ago I used to catch an overcrowded train from Stellenbosch to Cape Town. It wasn't nice being squashed against a door with the force of a hundred people swaying around. The best was to move your body with the crowd otherwise you could get hurt. Now imagine an emergency. Also people were hanging onto the doors from outside because they couldn't get in. Perhaps this is what led to train surfing in the first place.


The best solution will be to make the companies start later. I for one am a working person and I would love to be able to sleep later. Also the young children need discipline so let them keep starting earlier so that parents can get them to school before work as well.
How about school busses like they have in America, like Otto and his yellow bus on the Simpsons

The BCEA and LRA acts need to be ammended to accomodate a compressed working week, I am tired of seeing the corporates benefit from the working classes.
 
Once again let us all attack every idea that is South African because deep down inside we are big racists and don't like the government and anything it comes up with.

Most of us would love to have access to decent public transport.

The reality is that the ANC track record instills no confidence in any project they initiate. Whether it is 2010 soccer, healthcare, AIDS prevention, anti-gravy train or Gautrain.

The reality is as well that the standard and efficiency of the near useless public transport system left by de klerk & co, even got worse under ANC management.

The outcry is about the efficiency of the plans - the way they are conceived, executed and funded. Especially funded, as it seems that every "plan" creates wealth for another set of ANC cronies at the expense of the tax payer with very little value for money, if any value at all.

I repeat my plea for efficient public transport - London provides a world class example of what could be done. A clean, well maintained train every few minutes between the equavalent of Cape Town and Stellenbosch with smart card ticketing. Smart cards also valid for buses.

I have for a long time thought that if companies changed their working hours then traffic could easily be relieved. My company does that, we start a bit earlier and finish a bit earlier, and believe it helps with traffic a lot.

Not all companies are so lucky to be isolated from the rest of the world. Most companies must keep working hours related to clients and suppliers.

Shifting an hour in relation to your suppliers and clients effectively reduces productivity as you will have an hour less to work.

Its the logical thing to do. Its not about government failure or the public being left carrying the buck, its about the fact that the population is growing and there isn't enough place for everyone on a train. Just a few years ago I used to catch an overcrowded train from Stellenbosch to Cape Town. It wasn't nice being squashed against a door with the force of a hundred people swaying around. The best was to move your body with the crowd otherwise you could get hurt. Now imagine an emergency. Also people were hanging onto the doors from outside because they couldn't get in. Perhaps this is what led to train surfing in the first place.

Fully agreed. Unfortunately the ANC decided not to order new train sets in good time. Just as they decided not to order new power stations in good time. As an obvious ANC supporter, please eat what your hero's serve.

The BCEA and LRA acts need to be ammended to accomodate a compressed working week, I am tired of seeing the corporates benefit from the working classes.

If you are unhappy the way the corporates benefit from the working classes, take the initiative and move into the "corporate bosses" class yourself and start your own business. I did it with others, and I'm not ashamed of taking home a very decent pay package compared to people working for me - I don't have a high staff turnover, because the good ones are paid better than they can easily get elsewhere.

Anyone who started an own business will be able to tell you of the sweat and hardship during the first few years. I doubt if I will ever get enough money from the business to make up for the first few years.

This part of the story is never told to the working classes when the bosses drive super cars to their mansions at night.

But the big bonus is that at present I call the shots, and don't have to suffer anymore under tyrannical rule of an incompetent BEE idiot.
 
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Because people need to drop their kids off on the way to work? Because if you have two kids at different schools (eg. Primary and High), it really helps if their starting hours, at least, are the same?
It would make more sense if the school starting times were staggered if you had to drop off at two different schools.

I'm all for employers offering flexi time when possible.
 
Once again let us all attack every idea that is South African because deep down inside we are big racists and don't like the government and anything it comes up with.

I have for a long time thought that if companies changed their working hours then traffic could easily be relieved. My company does that, we start a bit earlier and finish a bit earlier, and believe it helps with traffic a lot.

Its the logical thing to do. Its not about government failure or the public being left carrying the buck, its about the fact that the population is growing and there isn't enough place for everyone on a train. Just a few years ago I used to catch an overcrowded train from Stellenbosch to Cape Town. It wasn't nice being squashed against a door with the force of a hundred people swaying around. The best was to move your body with the crowd otherwise you could get hurt. Now imagine an emergency. Also people were hanging onto the doors from outside because they couldn't get in. Perhaps this is what led to train surfing in the first place.


The best solution will be to make the companies start later. I for one am a working person and I would love to be able to sleep later. Also the young children need discipline so let them keep starting earlier so that parents can get them to school before work as well.
How about school busses like they have in America, like Otto and his yellow bus on the Simpsons

The BCEA and LRA acts need to be ammended to accomodate a compressed working week, I am tired of seeing the corporates benefit from the working classes.


you think companies should change their business timetables just so that metro rail can get away with poor service?, go abroad and have a look at the systems they have there then come back and then ask why we cant have those services here!@

You think companies benefit from working class?, ahahahaha, i can tell you must be an anc member witht the way you think, do u not think the working class benefits from working from the salaries the corporation pays? and the experience/skills they teach the working class?, thabo mbeki's private plane could have paid for a few new trains im sure!, your goverment is so dam corrupt they stealing more than they giving back to the community and its their fault!, so think about that before you go blaming corporations or yelling for better work hours!....i guess this post makes me a racist now doesnt it!?!
 
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diesel .. it's "our" governmint, not "your" governmint. We're all in this together.
And ... your attack is quite awesome, but not necessary, you would do a lot better by simply stating the facts without attacking the person.
Chillax.
 
Its not about government failure or the public being left carrying the buck, its about the fact that the population is growing and there isn't enough place for everyone on a train.

Then we either need more trains or less people.

No, actually we just need a proper efficient reliable public transport system.

And yes, flexi time, later school opening, is nothing but passing the buck from the powers that be to the main in the street.
 
Most of us would love to have access to decent public transport.

The reality is that the ANC track record instills no confidence in any project they initiate. Whether it is 2010 soccer, healthcare, AIDS prevention, anti-gravy train or Gautrain.

The reality is as well that the standard and efficiency of the near useless public transport system left by de klerk & co, even got worse under ANC management.

The outcry is about the efficiency of the plans - the way they are conceived, executed and funded. Especially funded, as it seems that every "plan" creates wealth for another set of ANC cronies at the expense of the tax payer with very little value for money, if any value at all.

I repeat my plea for efficient public transport - London provides a world class example of what could be done. A clean, well maintained train every few minutes between the equavalent of Cape Town and Stellenbosch with smart card ticketing. Smart cards also valid for buses.



Not all companies are so lucky to be isolated from the rest of the world. Most companies must keep working hours related to clients and suppliers.

Shifting an hour in relation to your suppliers and clients effectively reduces productivity as you will have an hour less to work.



Fully agreed. Unfortunately the ANC decided not to order new train sets in good time. Just as they decided not to order new power stations in good time. As an obvious ANC supporter, please eat what your hero's serve.



If you are unhappy the way the corporates benefit from the working classes, take the initiative and move into the "corporate bosses" class yourself and start your own business. I did it with others, and I'm not ashamed of taking home a very decent pay package compared to people working for me - I don't have a high staff turnover, because the good ones are paid better than they can easily get elsewhere.

Anyone who started an own business will be able to tell you of the sweat and hardship during the first few years. I doubt if I will ever get enough money from the business to make up for the first few years.

This part of the story is never told to the working classes when the bosses drive super cars to their mansions at night.

But the big bonus is that at present I call the shots, and don't have to suffer anymore under tyrannical rule of an incompetent BEE idiot.

Well said.
 
Then we either need more trains or less people.

No, actually we just need a proper efficient reliable public transport system.

Shame, What do humans do when there are too many elephants? They cull them.

If we had an efficient and effective transport system, then one could look at alternative suggestions.
 
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=&art_id=nw20080314094545914C401821
What is ambitious about this ?

Once again the public get dumped with the problem.

No power - you must cut down your usage.
No water - you must use less water.
No sewage system ...
No decent public transport - well let's start schools later ( great idea - all the parents will have to start work later as well ).

How about an ambitious plan to upgrade the transport system.

Because people need to drop their kids off on the way to work? Because if you have two kids at different schools (eg. Primary and High), it really helps if their starting hours, at least, are the same?

Fsuk you guys can moan! Absolutely any story published will elicit a complaint from most of you!

In your privileged world your little kiddies get dropped off by you on the way to work and lo and behold they should have to sit for a few minutes before school starts and wait. Many other kids are lucky to see their parents in the morning as they make their way to school by themselves.

And as for the suggestion of upgrading the transport system I have seen you self same whingers complainin about the money being spent on the Gautrain! As we all know the government can never win with you guys

We are the consumers. We are the users of these systems. If we experience problems with them then we must help with the solutions. If you had a look you may find a few "first world" countries in the world use flexi hours to alleviate transport congestion.
 
Once again let us all attack every idea that is South African because deep down inside we are big racists and don't like the government and anything it comes up with.

I have for a long time thought that if companies changed their working hours then traffic could easily be relieved. My company does that, we start a bit earlier and finish a bit earlier, and believe it helps with traffic a lot.

Its the logical thing to do. Its not about government failure or the public being left carrying the buck, its about the fact that the population is growing and there isn't enough place for everyone on a train. Just a few years ago I used to catch an overcrowded train from Stellenbosch to Cape Town. It wasn't nice being squashed against a door with the force of a hundred people swaying around. The best was to move your body with the crowd otherwise you could get hurt. Now imagine an emergency. Also people were hanging onto the doors from outside because they couldn't get in. Perhaps this is what led to train surfing in the first place.


The best solution will be to make the companies start later. I for one am a working person and I would love to be able to sleep later. Also the young children need discipline so let them keep starting earlier so that parents can get them to school before work as well.
How about school busses like they have in America, like Otto and his yellow bus on the Simpsons

The BCEA and LRA acts need to be ammended to accomodate a compressed working week, I am tired of seeing the corporates benefit from the working classes.

Now this is well said! In my anger at reading the first few responses I erred in responding myself before getting to yours. But at least in reading yours it shows me there are still some sensible people in this country.

I still believe, as you, that the majority of the moaning stems from deep seated racism!
 
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Some of the amazing plans we have heard :

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_i...1007200C447291

Cape Town is considering keeping heavy vehicles off the road during peak hours to alleviate traffic congestion and pollution.

Cape Town's director of transport, Maddie Mazaza, said trucks were considered to be the biggest contributors to increasing congestion on the city's roads, affecting productivity and transport efficiency.

http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/News/0,7427,1369-1372_1683545,00.html


The monorail is planned to be built along the infamous Otto du Plessis Road between Table View and Cape Town to ease traffic congestion that sometimes reaches crisis proportions.

This is the news from Cape Town City planners who revealed to Wheels24 that the proposal is at an advanced exploratory stage.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3734/is_200105/ai_n8951877/pg_1

The South African Minister of Transport, Dullah Omar, supports an initiative by AFRIBIKE to promote the use of nonmotorized transport as a means of supporting low-cost mobility, job creation, poverty alleviation, education, sustainable development and environmental protection. Langa has been selected as the site of this pilot project in recognition of the rich sporting and cultural history that the area and its people have afforded Cape Town since the early 1920s. AFRIBIKE promotes the use of the bicycle as a means of transport, thereby facilitating access to new opportunities for many that would otherwise be denied. The timing of this launch has been set to coincide with the Cape Argus Pick n Pay Cycle Tour and the festival of cycling during the week in greater Cape Town. It is envisaged that the AFRIBIKE Langa project will help develop a cycling culture in Langa to support the work already achieved by the Sports Council, City of Cape Town Sports and Recreation Department, and the Tshepiso and Rainbow Cycling Clubs.

http://www.capeargus.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=4262741
A plan is being mooted to turn the first section of Cape Town's rail network into an underground system, freeing up more than a million square metres of real estate.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20060409103154511C812951

Cape Town's hovercraft ferry service from the fast-growing Table Bay seaboard with its nightmare traffic jams to the city centre is a step closer to reality.

The City of Cape Town has agreed to lease prime property near the Big Bay beachfront to a company that plans to run a modern, fast hovercraft ferry service to the V&A Waterfront.

This is desperation kicking in.

Trains ! Did I hear trains ?

Build a decent circular train system.

Give us secure station parking.

Provide a park and shuttle system.

Get rid of the taxis and cut the death rate, the anger rate, and we get a traffic lane back.

Don't build new areas like Parklands, Durbanville without first building a public transport network.

But no - much easier to say well, start school later, flexi time, car pooling - anything but solving the problem of a failed public transport system.

PS: Some light humour to end the rant -

http://www.capetowntravel.com

Renting a car is an affordable and easy way of exploring Cape Town. With an excellent network of roads and clear, easy to follow signs, it’s a relatively painless way to get around the city. And you won’t have to stress about getting stuck in traffic - in Cape Town, traffic density is extremely low and amazingly light by most North American Standards.


Public transport in Cape Town is an interesting experience. Our minibus taxis - seating as many people as can be crammed in the vehicle at about R3 a lift - are the cheapest option. Rail links exist to all major Cape Town destinations, although this is not always the safest option, especially after dark.
 
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