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Anton Wolf

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Hey fellas, I've been following this forum since my youth. I just never joined.
Got a question here. Is it normal practice for any ISP in ZA to charge for exiting their CGNAT pool?
I'm asking because I'm with various ISPs, Afrihost, Cool Ideas & a couple of regional ones and they have never charged me for exiting the NAT pool. Obviously, I want to exit the CGNAT because of the port forwarding limitation, which of course is not notably prescribed in the product description. I'm being charged at least R350 on top of a 50/4 fibre product that costs R705.86. This ISP is a member of the ISPA.
 
There are some shady ISP's out there. The ISP I used to be with charged me R250 to change my package after I have been with them for more than a year.
 
I've never heard of a fibre connection being CGNat'd. Usually only mobile networks use CGNAT in South Africa.
 
Anton Wolf said:
Hey fellas, I've been following this forum since my youth. I just never joined.
Got a question here. Is it normal practice for any ISP in ZA to charge for exiting their CGNAT pool?
I'm asking because I'm with various ISPs, Afrihost, Cool Ideas & a couple of regional ones and they have never charged me for exiting the NAT pool. Obviously, I want to exit the CGNAT because of the port forwarding limitation, which of course is not notably prescribed in the product description. I'm being charged at least R350 on top of a 50/4 fibre product that costs R705.86. This ISP is a member of the ISPA.
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Since you listed some good ISP's in the list, why not make use of them ie. Coolideas and not have this issue ?

Is there a specific reason you are forced to use the shtty one ?
 
deweyzeph said:
I've never heard of a fibre connection being CGNat'd. Usually only mobile networks use CGNAT in South Africa.
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Seems to be the cool thing lately, I think Afrihost and Axxess is doing that already. Poor guys must have been late to the IP allocation purchases and now its too late/too expensive and stuck without enough unique IP's.
 
John Tempus said:
Seems to be the cool thing lately, I think Afrihost and Axxess is doing that already. Poor guys must have been late to the IP allocation purchases and now its too late/too expensive and stuck without enough unique IP's.
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Afrihost definitely isn't, I always get a proper public IP address with my Afrihost Openserve fibre line.
 
deweyzeph said:
Afrihost definitely isn't, I always get a proper public IP address with my Afrihost Openserve fibre line.
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You can search the forum, a few months back someone using Afrihost posted here that they are CGNATted and afrihost responded that they do in fact CGNAT.

Somewhere before this page but you can see on this page the comment about CGNAT related to Afrihost.

Afrihost - Pure Fibre Feedback Thread

True. It’s tricky, but you’d probably need ISPs to not support the FNO to incentivise another FNO to move in. Frogfoot is damaging Afrihost’s reputation, but they aren’t seemingly doing anything to force a change.
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If you have a pure single user ip with Afrihost I guess you are lucky with your assigned zone or something.
 
deweyzeph said:
I've never heard of a fibre connection being CGNat'd. Usually only mobile networks use CGNAT in South Africa.
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Afrihost does this now with Vuma Aerial at least, but it's just a matter of requesting to opt-out and you're set.
 
Yep, it indeed does happen with Afrihost (at least on Vuma Aerial as mentioned).

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John Tempus said:
Since you listed some good ISP's in the list, why not make use of them ie. Coolideas and not have this issue ?

Is there a specific reason you are forced to use the shtty one ?
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Right now I'm forced to stick with them, it's not by choice I'm there. I actually want to launch a complaint with the ISPA. the ISP in question is Webafrica. I've had some great experiences with them since the good old DSL days, but now it seems they're losing the plot. What's worse is that the feedback came from the critical care team, not just a regular agent!
 
Anton Wolf said:
Right now I'm forced to stick with them, it's not by choice I'm there. I actually want to launch a complaint with the ISPA. the ISP in question is Webafrica. I've had some great experiences with them since the good old DSL days, but now it seems they're losing the plot. What's worse is that the feedback came from the critical care team, not just a regular agent!
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Well the issue here is that any ISP behind the curve on IP allocations will be stuck in this situation. Clearly Webafrica did not plan properly at some point and now paying the price after depleting their IPv4 network.

As you can see on the Afrihost post, they also mention they will be charging in the future when CGNAT becomes standard practice for all clients if you do wish to make use of unique private IPv4 assigned to you.

So it is probably the way all these ISP's who run out of IPv4's will be heading so either you cough up the fee they charge or somehow need to change to an ISP who planned better.

All of this could be avoided if they start utilizing IPv6 properly and in cases that traffic simply still need IPv4 then CGNAT that traffic specifically if there is no IPv6 support but it seems so many years after IPv6 got standardized this is still not even close to reality.
 
My ISP here in the UK uses CGNat. You can opt out of it by getting a static IP - £5 a month.
 
John Tempus said:
Well the issue here is that any ISP behind the curve on IP allocations will be stuck in this situation. Clearly Webafrica did not plan properly at some point and now paying the price after depleting their IPv4 network.

As you can see on the Afrihost post, they also mention they will be charging in the future when CGNAT becomes standard practice for all clients if you do wish to make use of unique private IPv4 assigned to you.

So it is probably the way all these ISP's who run out of IPv4's will be heading so either you cough up the fee they charge or somehow need to change to an ISP who planned better.

All of this could be avoided if they start utilizing IPv6 properly and in cases that traffic simply still need IPv4 then CGNAT that traffic specifically if there is no IPv6 support but it seems so many years after IPv6 got standardized this is still not even close to reality.
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What's a guy to do, when can't even get port forwarding!, we seriously need to adopt IPv6... as in yesterday! I'm definitely dropping them as soon as I can.
 
Sinbad said:
My ISP here in the UK uses CGNat. You can opt out of it by getting a static IP - £5 a month.
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Most ISPs here will not allow for a paid static IP add-on on a standard package, you'll struggle for any kind of static IP unless you go for a business package, which might allow for the addition of /29 block for about ZAR350.00
 
Anton Wolf said:
Most ISPs here will not allow for a paid static IP add-on on a standard package, you'll struggle for any kind of static IP unless you go for a business package, which might allow for the addition of /29 block for about ZAR350.00
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Oh and I also have a /56 all to myself :D
 
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